Private University or Trade school?

[Frag Mortuus]

Well the United States rewards you for being poor with a bunch of kids. Think about it, you have more babies:

You get more food stamps
You get more on your income tax to spend on Ipads, PS3, etc.

Trust me that's what many, many people do with it. Don't put it beyond materialistic poor people to get knocked up on purpose, get those government benefits, and spend the money and welfare on themselves. It happens every day.

My brother has 3 kids (two are twins, so his wife only got pregnant twice...she's fixed now, thank goodness), and this year he got back $11,000 in taxes to spend as he wishes. My grandparents paid off his house, his cars are paid for, family makes sure the kids have everything they need...he literally got $11,000 to play with. And that's exactly what it went towards. For a guy making $20k a year, my brother drives a paid for 2009 Escalade, has two 50 inch smart HD tvs and a huge collection of video games. All thanks to those babies and Uncle Sam.

I have a college degree, a great job, have 2 kids and still get a decent amount back for taxes (I think I got 7K last year). So, your brother makes $20k and gets a healthy tax return; I would rather have my great job and have the money throughout the year to buy my toys rather than have to wait for taxes to come around.

Also, yes, you do get more taxes back if you make a low income and have more dependents. But all they are doing is stimulating the economy by giving folks without money, cash to have fun with. They aren't going to put it in savings because that is the one time each year where they get to keep up with the Jones'. They are going to come to me to get a custom computer built, or they will go out and buy nice clothes then hire my wife to do the family portraits that they can't normally afford, or go to my buddy's retro game shop and buy that Saturn or those other games they normally wouldn't be able to afford. They would do all of these things that their income level doesn't allow them to do on a normal basis.

I think both a University and Trade School are viable options for careers as long as you get a job doing something you like.

[dsheinem]

Given today's news and the ranking of my alma maters as #1 and #2, respectively, I'll concede that my view of college life might be a bit rosier than most: http://www.businessinsider.com/syracuse ... try-2014-8

[ZeroAX]

A really good article on technology making jobs obsolete.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/ ... t-not-less

Not going to help with the question of University or Trade School, but it might help you rethink which degree/trade to study.

[marurun]

tl:dr There is no tl:dr. If you don't want to read it, don't comment on it.

I hate seeing all these posts excoriating welfare recipients. Let's be straight, here. Welfare benefits for having children do not, even at the lowest levels, make up for the cost of having children. That money you get disappears very quickly, because kids are money pits. They are little black holes that you throw food, health care, services, goods, etc... into and no money comes back out. Now, if you are responsible and care about your kids, that welfare check goes even less far, because you likely are trying to give them what they deserve, but you get so much from your kids in return I imagine it's pretty well worth it.

Even the kids someone spends the very least on aren't going to make them any money from welfare. It just isn't profitable.

I work at a school where we deal a lot with parents who are poor, sometimes homeless for short periods of time. Many of them likely receive money from the government. I wouldn't want to live like them. Many can't afford even the most rudimentary of used cars due to the cost of upkeep. They miss class because of sick kids, and they miss work, because they are working. They are working crap jobs that pay crap, and that's why they are in school, to get out of that pit.

All the wonderful anecdotal evidence everyone loves to pony up aside, statistically speaking, welfare abuse and outright fraud is a tiny drop in the bucket. Most people on welfare don't want to be there, don't live well at all, and struggle constantly. They eat crappy food because they can't afford healthy food. If they smoke it is one of their only pleasures (however nasty and expensive a pleasure). They don't have computers or internet at home or big TVs or fancy cars.

Education is one of only a few ways out of this pit, aside from winning the lottery.

Welfare is broken, but not because people are getting fat on their welfare checks. It is broken because welfare can't fix the fundamental problem, which is that education has become so expensive and unattainable for many, and that society is so economically stratified that vast social reforms will be necessary to fix that gaping chasm between the wealthy and the not-wealthy.

[JsGameRoom]

They eat crappy food because they can't afford healthy food..

Hey now. I eat crappy food because it tastes amazing.

[Jmustang1968]

Education is not too expensive or unattainable. My parents didnt pay for any of my school. I funded my way through financial aid.

There is some welfare abuse and the article mentions how it raises the reservation wage. It doesnt encourage people to get off.

The low reported abuse and fraud is also something that has been touted before and not fully applicable. Many of the taking advantage of welfare arent frauds or illegal, but within the means of the system.

I wont try to say they are getting rich by any means. But there is a trend, most likely a cultural thing, where instead of being smart with money and handling essentials first, it is spent on flashy things or status type of items. Not always, I know many honest people are just trying to get by. It is the others that ruin it for them.

[jp1]

Education is not too expensive or unattainable. My parents didnt pay for any of my school. I funded my way through financial aid.

There is some welfare abuse and the article mentions how it raises the reservation wage. It doesnt encourage people to get off.

The low reported abuse and fraud is also something that has been touted before and not fully applicable. Many of the taking advantage of welfare arent frauds or illegal, but within the means of the system.

I wont try to say they are getting rich by any means. But there is a trend, most likely a cultural thing, where instead of being smart with money and handling essentials first, it is spent on flashy things or status type of items. Not always, I know many honest people are just trying to get by. It is the others that ruin it for them.

If every person got an education there wouldn't be any demand for anything. Who is going to do all the shitty jobs that these folks who need additional government assistance just to make ends meet do now? There has to be a class system for capitalism to work, the problem is that each class tends to look down the ladder and see something less than themselves instead of seeing the rest of the ladder that is holding them up.

I don't begrudge anyone success, and I'm not saying that some people do not take advantage of government assistance, but the fact is that if the wealth was distributed more evenly we (as a society) wouldn't need it to the extent we do now. Of course then everyone would have to sacrifice a little bit, not just the poor folks.

If someone wasn't doing the minimum wage crap that doesn't pay the bills, where would those services come from? You can't survive on minimum wage, not even if you are single. So to fix a broken system and keep the upper 1% from being invaded by masses of people who would be forced to do things drastic just to eat.

[prfsnl_gmr]

Who is going to do all the shitty jobs that these folks who need additional government assistance just to make ends meet do now?

Robots.

If someone wasn't doing the minimum wage crap that doesn't pay the bills, where would those services come from?

Again, robots.

[Jmustang1968]

These can also be done as temporary side jobs or part time work. Those arent careers.

[Sload Soap]

Who is going to do all the shitty jobs that these folks who need additional government assistance just to make ends meet do now?

Robots.

If someone wasn't doing the minimum wage crap that doesn't pay the bills, where would those services come from?

Again, robots.

I can see no flaws with this proposal...

Oh...

Oh dear...

Bugger.