Wii-U thoughts so far

[Violent By Design]

I think you missed his point... I think he was stating, which you somewhat confirmed, that just CoD won't make people choose one console over another because its multi-plat. You yourself stated people will buy an Xbone and PS4 to play call of duty. So again no advantage for either console. Add that with exclusive content and then consoles start to sell.

But you see, the way people look at multiplat games this gen is very odd.

You misquoted me, you gladly pointed out that people will buy an Xbox1 and a PS4, but you didn't acknowledge that people would not buy a Wii-U to get Call of Duty. So when you say "no advantage for either console", then sure..in a head to head between Xbox and PS4 (Xbox would have the advantage due to better controller and Xbox Live I would think) there is no advantage, but compared to the Wii-U? How isn't there?

You can say Assasin's Creed, Arkham, Dark Souls, Skyrim, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect, Bioshock and all that good stuff are not exclusive, but from the perspective of someone with a Wii, they might as well be. If a game loves Metal Gear Solid to death, is he going to look at Wii-U the same way he would look at the 4 other consoles that will get the new MGS? Probably not.

The fact is, there are 3 home consoles, and one of those consoles do not get the bulk of the big name multiplat games, so those games are actually "exclusive" in some sense.

[pepharytheworm]

But Call of Duty is on Wii-U.... so again just the game itself doesn't sell the console. Its a mix of multi-plats and exclusives that sell, along with price and other features that are in the console. How else would someone decide which console to get if they pretty much just want CoD?

I totally agree some people bought video game consoles just to play CoD, but I doubt that they just picked which console at random.

[ZeroAX]

If all these 2 consoles have to offer is better versions of CoD and FIFA they will struggle worse than the Wii U at the start.

Those franchises depend a lot on the communities. Simply put you won't buy a console to play CoD when your entire clan/group of friends can't afford it, and they are still playing on the previous gen.

Of course this will change over time, but can these consoles really afford to take time to establish a big enough install base? Remember how expensive game development was this gen, and that it's going to get MORE expensive next-gen. Which means even less games will be able to make a profit, let alone without a big userbase.

[RyaNtheSlayA]

I've said it before and ill say it again. This next generation will probably have extremely slow adoption rates and will also probably be even longer than this one.

[Violent By Design]

But Call of Duty is on Wii-U.... so again just the game itself doesn't sell the console. Its a mix of multi-plats and exclusives that sell, along with price and other features that are in the console. How else would someone decide which console to get if they pretty much just want CoD?

I totally agree some people bought video game consoles just to play CoD, but I doubt that they just picked which console at random.

Call of Duty fans would not consider the Wii-U version to be a definitive version, so it's not really relevant that it is on the Wii-U.

In regards to the bold, the game itself does sell consoles ~_~. I didn't say it is the only reason why people would buy a console in every situation.

[ZeroAX]

I've said it before and ill say it again. This next generation will probably have extremely slow adoption rates and will also probably be even longer than this one.

QFT my friend, QFT

[Violent By Design]

If all these 2 consoles have to offer is better versions of CoD and FIFA they will struggle worse than the Wii U at the start.

? You know first hand that it's not the only 2 things that the console has to offer, I don't really see that is relevant though.

And even if it was, the consoles would sell pretty well regardless. Think about how much crap the community gives the Xbox 360 for not having exclusives, yet it stills. What does it have to its name? Slightly superior service (debatable) and slightly better multiplat ports, yet people still buy it.

Those franchises depend a lot on the communities. Simply put you won't buy a console to play CoD when your entire clan/group of friends can't afford it, and they are still playing on the previous gen.

People would, and people do all the time. What your peers can and can't afford hardly affects your purchasing choices. Aside from that, all it would take is one person to buy the game for the others to decide to make the investment as well.

Of course this will change over time, but can these consoles really afford to take time to establish a big enough install base?

I'm not sure what this means, can you rephrase?

Remember how expensive game development was this gen, and that it's going to get MORE expensive next-gen. Which means even less games will be able to make a profit, let alone without a big userbase.

[/quote]How do we know it's going to be more expensive?

If it ever came to a point that video games became so expensive that companies were not making profits, then the bar for high spec games would merely just be lowered. This has already happened in the previous gen.

[RCBH928]

Just to be clear I am not stating that Nintendo is going to shut down if the Wii U fails, I am expecting the Wii U to have disappointing sales. Although I expect Nintendo to quit the hardware market if they continue with the disappointing sales for the next gen.(after WiiU) and if they can make it to the one after that. No one tell me that is impossible to happen , because it happened with Sega and Atari.

I also feel upset to be called a Nintendo hater , because I for one wanted the Wii to have the greatest gaming library . Maybe Nintendo's actions made me hate them?

@ZeroAX

People do not pick on PCs for many reasons. People stopped buying desktops long time ago, everyone owns laptops now days (Aka bad for gaming). In fact, I am starting to hear people quitting on buying laptops because an iPad is more than enough for their needs. Plus the gaming PC is more expensive than a console. You have to deal with stuff like installing software and setting up controls . Consoles are just plug and play and less expensive. If we see something like SteamBox (which I wish for) , things might change.

I can accept Lego City as a game to get the Wii U , but then I have to ask... Are those Lego games similar ? Because I hear of a lot of Lego games with different themes like Batman and Harry Potter and not sure what is the difference.

@RyanTheSlaya

I too agree that adoption rate for next gen. is going to be slow because next gen. hardly is giving anything new/wanted/needed as technology world wide is making a much smaller jumps over the years. Plus , all consoles don't get the good games until at least the first year is gone by and hopefully by that time price has probably dropped a bit, any malfunctions/glitches been ironed out, and the good part during that time the best of games that maximized the hardware are always released on the final year of any console(well..usually) so ps3/360 owners have a lot less reason to switch.

When you think that the difference between PS3 and PS4 is about the same difference between The SNES and PS2, you would know that technology is advancing much less now than back then.

[Cronozilla]

I think the reality is Nintendo could fail in the next five+ console generations and still wouldn't have to shut down. ~$20 Billion goes a long way when your "failures" only cost $300 Million. If the losses went up $100 Million every console generation after four generations of Wii U's current performance ... they'd still have at least ~$18 Billion.

No, they're not out until consoles don't exist anymore (and even then they'll do something else, like their own line of devices) or until a person who doesn't care is in charge (usually how companies die)

[Reprise]

So has anyone tried to the Wonderful 101 demo yet? After playing it, I'm really glad I pre-ordered it. I can't wait for its release. It's hard to used to the controls, but after a short while you really get engrossed into the game. It's really fun and creative.