The Rev Hates Nintendo Thread or is it the other way around?

[Ziggy]

COULD A MOD maybe cut out the last page and a half (the I hate Nintendo argument posts) and put it in its own thread or something (we don't have a flame wars section, hmm). I really wanted to discuss the actual thread topic and it's getting derailed massively. I feel like I've made some good points on topic, but they're being out shined by this crap.

Since I layed it all out here, does my hatred of Nintendo seem irrational?

Yes.

Wasn't there an interview with Miyamoto where he said he didn't have any good ideas for another F-Zero? So you're saying he should just go ahead and make one because we want it?

Right, because a virtually endless coin collect-a-thon, and a cat suit were ideas that the world just wouldn't have been the same without.

What a bullshit thing to say. Making a video game, from the creative sense, it's just as much making art that anything else is. IE: Writing a book, writing music, painting, etc. So it'd be like asking an author to write part 4 to your favorite book series even though the author doesn't have any good ideas for it. Just because you don't like the million coin hunt or the cat suit doesn't mean they're bad ideas. The creators of the game came up with them, just like a musician writes a melody that you may or may not like. It still came from their creative sense. They didn't just pull it out of their ass because a couple of people in the internet couldn't stop whining.

Although I would like to see region free Nintendo consoles, I can at least understand that it's not so easy to just go ahead and do something like this to consoles that have already been launched.

It's more than likely a software update, so it would be that easy.

Of course it's probably just software update, that still doesn't necessarily make it easy to just go ahead and do like it's nothing. For reasons I've already stated in this thread.

It's not everyday you come across somebody who just hates Nintendo.

I typically hate Nintendo. ("Hate" is probably strong; I have extreme indifference toward Nintendo, but I hear that's the opposite of "love," anyway.)

Well either of you come up with one good reason why you hate Nintendo and I'll concede to it. I haven't heard any good reasons so far. The cat suit? Not a good reason. The Nintendo Mafia murders? Not a good reason.

I've also been reading Ziggy587's posts in Bender's voice for the past couple years.

That's really funny. I mean, ::ahem::, KISS MY SHINY METAL ASS


BACK ON TOPIC !

I wouldn't say this the end. Nintendo has acknowledged the fact that the fans have a problem with it. The seed has been planted. Seeing as they probably like keeping their fans, they might work on a way to solve the issue. Maybe they'll localize more games. Or maybe they will eventually lift the region lock. I'm happy they at least paid attention to the outcry.

Yeah, what a dick company. They don't even care enough about their fans and their dumb petition to give them a response.

This is definitely not the end. Nintendo didn't even say flat out NO like these sensationalizes make it seem. They just said they have no plans. So that obviously doesn't rule out the future. It was extremely nice of them to even make a statement. I would say this isn't the time to stop and give up, it's the signal to keep going! Keep getting the petition signed. Keep making noise about it, make it clear we want region free consoles.

[Ack]

They've already appealed to the Chinese government by hiring a Taiwanese individual to head their Chinese front corporation, iQue.

How is that endearing to mainland China?

The Chinese government has regulations in place requiring Chinese authority within companies that do business there. So major firms like Nintendo create proxy or side companies with ethnically Chinese CEOs to be able to function in mainland China markets. In the case of Taiwan, China sees it as a rogue province, so Taiwanese individuals can also be used to give a face to an organization in an attempt to appease the Chinese government.

[pierrot]

Wasn't there an interview with Miyamoto where he said he didn't have any good ideas for another F-Zero? So you're saying he should just go ahead and make one because we want it?

Right, because a virtually endless coin collect-a-thon, and a cat suit were ideas that the world just wouldn't have been the same without.

What a bullshit thing to say. Making a video game, from the creative sense, it's just as much making art that anything else is. IE: Writing a book, writing music, painting, etc. So it'd be like asking an author to write part 4 to your favorite book series even though the author doesn't have any good ideas for it. Just because you don't like the million coin hunt or the cat suit doesn't mean they're bad ideas. The creators of the game came up with them, just like a musician writes a melody that you may or may not like. It still came from their creative sense. They didn't just pull it out of their ass because a couple of people in the internet couldn't stop whining.

You mean like how people didn't like the ending to Mass Effect 3, and through enough bitching made the developers change it? Or how people wanted a new Pikmin, and it was so. What may be "bullshit" is the notion that F-zero as a series in any way, shape or form resembles a series of novels, movies, or even TV-shows. (Outside of the anime adaptation.) As a game, there's really not that much that needs to be expanded upon, and my point is that any little thing is enough of an 'innovation' in gameplay for Nintendo to pump out another version of their other series (ie. cat suits, coins everywhere affair) yet a series that hasn't been touched since Sega set the standard on it is now 'untouchable'? Give--me--a--break.

I don't hate Nintendo in the truest sense of the word, but I do absolutely hate Miyamoto with a fiery passion: He's a skeevy little dingleberry who likes pretending, along with the majority of the gaming world, that he's done anything of real consequence since the mid-80s. I mean, really? What exactly is different about the new Pikmin, or the new Smash Brothers. What does Miyamoto need to implement into a new F-zero, when he was barely a name in the credits of the penultimate entry to the series. I couldn't care less whether or not Nintendo publishes a new F-zero (and unless they shopped it out to Sega again, I hope they don't) but the reason stated for not releasing a new F-zero is "bullshit."

Of course it's probably just software update, that still doesn't necessarily make it easy to just go ahead and do like it's nothing. For reasons I've already stated in this thread.

I don't believe that Nintendo is a pack of idiots who implemented region locking in their firmwares, and have little idea how to reverse it without serious time/money investment.

[Ziggy]

As a game, there's really not that much that needs to be expanded upon, and my point is that any little thing is enough of an 'innovation' in gameplay for Nintendo to pump out another version of their other series (ie. cat suits, coins everywhere affair) yet a series that hasn't been touched since Sega set the standard on it is now 'untouchable'? Give--me--a--break.

So let's be perfectly fair here. If Nintendo "pumped out" an F-Zero on the Wii and again now on the Wii U, you know you'd be putting that in line with Pikmin and cat suits. Just another series that keeps getting rehashes, milking the cow, same old complaint. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I don't believe that Nintendo is a pack of idiots who implemented region locking in their firmwares, and have little idea how to reverse it without serious time/money investment.

Nintendo implemented region locking on the 3DS and Wii U. Since that extra feature took extra time and money to implement, I'm sure they had good reason to do it in the first place. They just didn't do it to fuck us over. Now we want them to take it out. We want them to reverse something that they spent time and money on. That will cost more time and more money. Not just to do the work of the actual firmware update or whatever, but I'm sure lots of discussion with the suits and higher-ups at Nintendo. Time and money, and time = money, so lots of money. It's been like two weeks since the internet decided to put up a big stink about region lockout on Nintendo consoles. You expect Nintendo to say "OK" just like that, snap their fingers and give us a firmware update? It, at the VERY least, will take time. Nintendo was at least nice enough to say, "Sorry, we have no plans for that at this time." I bet you they have discussed the possibility though, and I bet it will be in future (private) discussions. There's gotta be at least one dude at Nintendo that stood up and said, "Hey, why do we need region lockouts?"

tl;dr - It's not as easy as Nintendo saying, "Yeah, OK, let's do it!" And then BOOM done!

So, "WE ASKED NINTENDO TO UNLOCK THE CONSOLES AND THEY SAID NO BECAUSE THEY FUCKING SUCK!" is not the right attitude. Whether you like Nintendo or not, or even hate them, you have to appreciate the reality. And yes, I know you didn't say those words in all caps, but that's the general vibe I'm getting from reading reactions on the web. Maybe a little bit of exaggeration.

[TheRev]

Nintendo are the ones that need to appreciate reality. If they won't listen to what people want people won't support them and the Wii U is going to be a massive failure. Worse than the Wii was. OH BUT THE WII SOLD 1000 shit zillion units...yeah but nobody bought games after they got their Wiis and it started losing money fast.

Nintendo are the ones that need to accept reality. They don't listen to fans. They have to rely on sheepish fanboys to keep afloat. They do nothing to appeal to people who grew up with them to reel them back from people who moved on to the Playstation after the SNES. They give us stupid fucking gimmicks nobody asked for, and the sheep take it the rest of us are like, THE FUCK?

Nintendo are the ones stuck in fantasy world. Those wanting to get rid of Region locking are the ones trying to reel them back in. Because those sheepish fanboys, they'll grow up and they'll move on to either XBOX or PlayStation when Nintendo no longer has anything that appeals to them.

That's Reality.

If they don't listen to what people want in 5-10 years they'll be the smallest niche there is.

[Ziggy]

You make a post like this...

Well you kept it civil and respected my point of View. So I see no reason to push this issue farther.

...and then go ahead and call me a sheep?

[TheRev]

I wasn't referring to you specifically. But there are people who just blindly buy whatever Nintendo Shits out doesn't matter if it's the same old shit.

I've said my peace I don't think there's anything more I can say about Nintendo.

[BoneSnapDeez]

Region-locking is always disappointing.

Since the Vita, PSP, and DS aren't region-locked I can import all the great Ys, Final Fantasy, and Legend of Heroes games that weren't released here.

On the 3DS... Nope! And that is pretty shitty. btw anyone know if Bravely Default is being localized?

[TheRev]

Let the hackers do what nintendo refuses to I guess.

By the way I apologize if I came off as being hostile towards anyone in my Nintendo induced rage.

[MrPopo]

Let the hackers do what nintendo refuses to I guess.

By the way I apologize if I came off as being hostile towards anyone in my Nintendo induced rage.

You didn't "come off" as hostile. You were just hostile.