alcohol/drug stance

[Ack]

Haha, no I was making a joke about everybody getting all pissed off with you.

[corn619]

Beer = Good, Drugs = Bad and Beer with Drugs = Really Bad any questions?

[lordofduct]

I guess that's the cultural differences around the world. And really mate I don't like it when stupid people think they are smart. And if you are proud of doing drugs (or drinking a lot or smoking for that matter, which I don't do any of that) you are one heck of an idiot. Sorry for the flame mods but what I'm reading is sick. All the drug addicts I've known tell me it's the worst mistake of their lives.

Excuse me... first I never said I was "proud" of it. I said I would never change the fact I did it. The actions in our lives make us who we are. I wouldn't be "ME" right now if it weren't for it, for better or worse.

I think comments like that right there was the point of this whole thread... yeah.

actually we don't have those stereotypes over here (specially the black one).

No you just have your own close minded opinions.

Seriously to jump to the conclusion I'm an idiot because I 'did' drugs, or Hatta as well. That is pigeonholing as well. You have no idea about the level of our intelligence, and intelligent people can still make bad choices. You even conceded to being addicted to food and that it is unhealthy. A bad choice doesn't make you dumb... and YES I know drugs can harm me. Why do you think I don't do them anymore... that's what an addiction is. I don't like hanging out with hardcore drug addicts because it reminds me of the more 'fucked up' and 'sad disgusting' parts of my life. I have friends I erased from my life because of the SICK shit they did to me. I'm not proud I did cocaine, I'm not proud that after my brother OD'd on it my so called 'best friend' came to the wake with a bag of cocaine and tried to get me to do some all night, I'm not proud at all. I just wouldn't change my past, BECAUSE I CAN'T. And if I can't embrace who I am, then I can't fucking move on.

On the original topic, that was the point of my first post in here. People make choices, some good, some bad. People do things you don't like... to completely disregard this person because of one choice they made is ridiculous and you or the OP isn't going to have much fun staying a recluse just because he can't get over the fact a lot of people at his school drink.

Get out and forgive... there's tons else about the person that might be fun. I don't think these kids are messing up all that bad with their drinking, or they'd probably get kicked out of school.

Not to say you should 'accept' and befriend all drug addicts. Yes maybe you can't make friends with a drug addict... but if you start hating choices people make or made more and more... you're going to shrink you list of possible social interactions until one day there isn't any social interaction left because you allowed yourself to say, "I'm not even going to try because they made this choice in there life, or that choice."

[andymol21]

My 2 cents

My problem with drugs is that they are illegal. It might be contested and there might be arguments for and against this law but it is a crime to use them, or to even posses them (at least in the UK). I know that you can easily get off with a warning if you are found with them in small amounts but I just don't want to take the risk.

I don't particularly agree with the law on a moral basis. I always think that it is your body and your mind, and it is your life to lead, if you want drugs to be a part of that life then that is entirely your decision and should not be made by a government. There is good education on the dangers of drugs, and I for one have made a decision to stay away from them based on that education. However, some of my friends chose to use illegal drugs and I respect that decision, it is their life and not mine!

On alcohol, I enjoy the feeling of a couple of drinks. I like the extra confidence it gives me and have had many amazing nights out that just wouldn't have been possible without a couple of drinks beforehand. Again there are risks with alcohol, but if you are educated about the risks then you can make an informed decision. As Captain Planet said "Knowledge is Power"

[nucking futs]

Why else would you start using drugs? They're fun! Of course, fun is fun, and work is work. As long as you keep the two separate, you'll have no problems.

Like I said, I smoke pot every day. I drink coffee every day. My GF and I go through about a 12 pack of nice beer (usually Boulevard, maybe Shiner) in a week. We take LSD or mushrooms maybe 4 times a year.

None of this causes me problems. I graduated college on time with decent grades, and have a decent job in a technical field. I'm able to rent a nice house. I pay my bills on time. And I have a stable long term relationship with a wonderful woman.

If you really think drugs are for "very disturbed kids", you're just ignorant. Far more people than you'd ever guess use drugs, but we are persecuted in this society, so the responsible people keep quiet.

The fact is the legal drugs, caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine are more powerful and more dangerous than many of the illegal drugs. You owe it to yourself to do some research and learn the truth instead of just believing the propaganda. Besides, you haven't really lived until you've had sex on LSD.

See, i do respect that you can control yourself in a way to get along with drugs (if that is true, that is), but i've been to a stationary psychological facility with people who had addictions and i can tell you, every one of their drug-consumption issues had a psychological background. The main problem was always the family and the relationship to the mother and/or father.

I did mention that there "are" exceptions to the that, which "can" handle their lives along with drugs, but one would still have to ask oneself where the "dissatisfaction" comes from. After all life itself is like the most hardcore drug of all, but you can even get LSD like consciousness from breathing techniques and stuff like xtc does not "give" you energy, it simply uses all your body has to give up in a short amount of time.

You seem to be more on the psychedelic side and that's common with smart people, as the psychedelic drugs give a counterpart to people who are on the logic side. But psychedelic drugs are especially harmfull for the brains of people before the age of 20. I also do know the latest drug report in which stuff like xtc and lsd and thc are way behind alcohol and tobacco (while heroin on first and coce on second place), but that doesn't justify the saying "you haven't really lived until you had sex on lsd". Who are you to judge that i ask you?

It's alright for you to get along with it but most people don't, sure people should make their own unbiased opinions about drugs but that should be a task of our current society in which it painfully fails through criminalization. Still that statement about lsd bothers me very much, as lsd (even though not lethal) is a drug that's not something to play with. Heck i've come to know many people for whom thc is too much.

[ZenLogikos]

so say my videogames...

[Doctor Fugue]

so say my videogames...

I was going to post the exact same thing. I remember that most from my MERCS days.

[ZeroAX]

Seriously to jump to the conclusion I'm an idiot because I 'did' drugs, or Hatta as well. That is pigeonholing as well. You have no idea about the level of our intelligence, and intelligent people can still make bad choices.

Wasn't aimed at you mate. You accepted it as a mistake. But saying it wasn't a mistake is ostrich mentality.

[ZenLogikos]

I was going to post the exact same thing. I remember that most from my MERCS days.

My elementary school took a trip to DC as part of Nancy Reagan's "Just Say NO" campaign. I believe stages were set up on the National Mall for speakers etc. The First Lady was sitting in the lawn with kids, including me. I was directly behind her. We were asking all sorts of questions. I've never looked for pictures of that event, but if there are any, I'm two feet behind her!

[lordofduct]

Seriously to jump to the conclusion I'm an idiot because I 'did' drugs, or Hatta as well. That is pigeonholing as well. You have no idea about the level of our intelligence, and intelligent people can still make bad choices.

Wasn't aimed at you mate. You accepted it as a mistake. But saying it wasn't a mistake is ostrich mentality.

That's the funny part... I never said it was a mistake I made either. Doing drugs wasn't a mistake in my life... some consequences were unexpected and disheartening. But the actual act of doing drugs was hardly a mistake... it was a personal choice. As I said I wouldn't change any of my past, my drug use made me who I am. It taught me things and get me an outlook on life that others don't have. Maybe not a better outlook on life, but it certainly helped me see a side of the world most people don't witness.

That side being something people who spit in the face of drug users don't understand really. I love the psychology prep talk people give about people who use drugs and toss in the words of "not in all cases"... which is plausible because there are no absolutes. But then they point and make comments like "mom & dad", "self-esteem", "addiction"... blah blah blah. So many lopsided remarks that are like PC slogans. "I's done it cause my mommy didn't hug me."

It reminds me of that stereotypical movie where the kid kills himself over a broken heart. Something that happens rather often, but so few people ever bother to really stop and understand the psychological working of suicide and compare it to some melodramatic thing like teenage puppy love. It's kind of degrading... They pass it off as hearsay and propaganda.

Oh that's gonna piss off some "depression sympathizers" I bet. But those are another group of people I want to punch in the face... but I don't. Depression is a highly complex disorder that ANYONE would agree is just that... complex and hard to understand. But it is also the catch phrase of the 21st century. Americans are being prescribed anti-anxiety medicine for a chemical imbalance... two completely different disorders. It downplays the disease for those who suffer from a crippling disease when mommy who can't deal with screaming baby gets a little stressed out and cries mental disorder.

I mostly just pick on "Manic/bi-polar disorder" because its the most common mental disorder tossed around. It's much more difficult to convince yourself you are skizophrenic then it is Manicly depressed. When in all your just freakin' human. And that right there is my ENTIRE point... people say drug users are "mentally ill" in some manner. That they must be sick in the head to do such a thing to their bodies or God knows what. But then you plug stupid psuedo-psycho babble like "mommy and dadday didn't hug me enough".

Come on, that whole parents thing when in the context of mental disorder. We're talking mental abuse from parents... not a common thing. And of MOST drug users I know, they didn't suffer from abusive parents. They had your a-typical parents, lived an a-typical life, in modern suburbia just like the rest of us. They made choices in life to explore things they found interesting, were pressured into, sounded mysterious, were readily available, was a means to income, was a means to escape, was a means to self-realization or a stamp of personalization. The reasons people choose to do drugs vary... and the resulting life doesn't always shuffle away into oblivion.

The effects of these drugs CAN be crippling... they CAN kill you... they CAN destroy your life and those around you. But being a motor head, or playing extreme sports can as well.

The fact drugs can turn cause some one to develope mental incompacities does not mean they were mentally deficient in the first place. They were only human and they explored a facite of life that seemed interesting to them. And despite the horrible things that can happen you can learn a lot from it. Hopefully your strong enough to resist the addictive qualities of it and don't let it bring you to those horrible places it can. Which A LOT of people can, come on... one of the assumed drug users is in the fuckin' white house right now... probably more then we know!

Doing drugs will introduce you to one world that is relatively surprising. Hard drug use actually enters this strange territory of expensive drugs... expensive drugs take money and a lot of sell drugs to get those expensive highs. It's hard to support an ounce+ a week cocaine addiction. You consider, that's about ~700 to 1000 dollars depending on the quantities you buy at (~$100 per 8 ball... some might even say that's cheap). You start to meet these customers... you know, the 30+'rs that do drugs. You hang out with them, you party with them, you give them their hook up may it be through your pocket or your own drug dealers pocket.

Moms and dads who have pre med students as children
dentists
business men
lawyers
city officials
teachers/professors
political activists
car salesman
anti-drug counselors
judges
ministers!

you ever see a minister snort a rail off a cd case for Tu-Pac? No... you only took the cracker and sip of wine from him. Drug users are everywhere, and they live normal lives. Just because behind closed doors they get high doesn't make them mentally ill or fucked up.



so America, and the rest of the world at that. Go drink your coffee, smoke your butts, skarf down your McDonalds and anti-anxiety medicine, drink your beer, and consume a gallon of ice cream while watching reality television. Your sins are "ok", they aren't "mistakes". Psha!

You know what my favourite anti-drug commercial ever was... this probably portrays it best:

"I smoke pot, I go over bobbies house and we sit on his couch and smoke pot. I'm not gonna die in a car crash, or shoot myself, I'm not gonna buy a prostitute... etc etc, stere-typical drug war stuff... I'm just gonna sit on Bobbies couch. Yep, on Bobbies couch..."

There's drug use for ya, it's a whole shit ton of sit! And it seems like in the world today we don't even need drugs to resort to just sit!