iTunes is the gay

[Niode]

WTF>?! Why are you trying to do it in such a retarded way then?

Just click sync. That's what it's there for.

I stand by my original statement. User error...


To date I've never had any issue with iTunes, I can sync both my iPhone and my iPod to the same library (where all the files are actually located on my server, and there's well over 10,000 files on there, so should I get some performance issues it would be with my wireless connection, but I don't.) I even have the odd video going to different devices too.

[lordofduct]

Because I don't WANT to sync. I said the entire list as example... but say I want only half my library. Like A - L... same exact thing happens.

I have tons of music on my computer (over 100 gigs), I have an 80 gig iPod. At this moment I only have 60 gigs in my library on iTunes (for obvious reasons... if I put more in there and tried to sync, as it is set up right now, my iPod wouldn't fit it all). But even then, 60 gigs is a TON of music to have on an iPod. I listen to it in my car, do you know how much of a pain in the ass it is to change an album every time I want too!? I'm driving here, in South Florida, most possibly Miami with awful traffic. Don't plan on dieing so I can hear Skinny Puppy again.

Sync is NOT an option. And I don't have playlists. I don't have playlists because I listen to albums. I don't listen to mixes, or a few songs. I like to listen to an album from a artist and then move on to another album. Like with a CD (nope I never made mix tapes or mix CDs either). Making playlists for every album is redundant as well. That is not user error just because I don't want to sync! If iTunes can't handle moving 4000+ songs at a time via a playlist, or highlight and drag... that is an iTunes error.

My only option really right now is to make my library my list of music I want on my iPod. But adding stuff to the library takes for ever as well. So now anytime I want to sync my iPod I have to:

A) empty library if it doesn't match what I want on my iPod this week
B) import folder after folder old school fashion (taking for ever, yesterday I just got the entire Elton John discography in mp3, took 10 minutes to import to the library, then 25 minutes to sync it to my iPod... ????)
C) sync

They have 160gig iPods now... that is like 30,000+ songs. That would assume Apple understands their users have large libraries. So their software should reflect this and not act retarded when 4 or 5 thousand songs are tossed around it. When I start getting over 10,000 songs in my library it can't handle scrolling around easily. Now I understand, that's a lot of information to sort... but I've seen other software handle it better. Some slow down, ok, freezing and sometime crashing is not a condition for software made by a "respected developer" who makes "quality and strong products" that are "user friendly and intuitive". (and I'm talking in just regular list mode, not displaying album covers... that makes things worse, but I don't like that method anyway, so I don't care about that.)

[ott0bot]

Dude. you need to select "Manually Manage Music" on your iPod, and then it won't automatically load everything to your iPod.

OR

you can use the program I put a link up for and just bypass using iTunes all together.

[lordofduct]

ottobot, I know that. I can't because it crashes if I try and drag a large playlist, or a highlighted group of songs, that is like 3 or 4 thousand songs in length. That is why I HAVE it on sync, it's the only way to move more then a few hundred songs to my iPod. I don't want it on sync.

How many times do I have to say that? It crashes... closes... has errors. That is not a user error. That is iTuens going, "meh, I'm gonna die."

I understand you gave a suggestion for other software. And I will get around to downloading and possibly trying it. I've tried TONS of different applications out there and have had issues everywhere, so I'm not running out the door right now to download music manager number 238. I've used:

iTunes
Windows Media Player
Winamp
Foobar
Rythumbox
Songbird (oh crap don't touch that thing)
and much much more

they all have issues here and there. WMP hates aac and is tricky with iPods, iTunes hates wma and crashes, Winamp crashes when I play an aac... etc

foobar is the only somewhat decent one, but creating a library in foobar is weird. It takes a lot of getting used to... I try every once in a while, but I'm having a hard time getting into its user interface.

[ott0bot]

How many times do I have to say that? It crashes... closes... has errors. That is not a user error. That is iTuens going, "meh, I'm gonna die."

That's probably enough times because it finally made me laugh! I really don't know why you are having so many problems. I have had zero problems as long as my iPOd software is up to date. I use a crap dell laptop for my music too. It works perfect on my iMac too. What file type are you using on iTunes. AEC, Mp3, WAv, AiFF?

[lordofduct]

most of my music is mp3... I started my collection way the hell back before Napster even reared its head. I haven't really felt like moving over to other formats since... it sounds fine to me.

But I have some aac and wma mixed in there as well due to grabbing music from friends who rip with iTunes or WMP.


I've actually heard of Yamipod, actually I think I tried once before but don't remember why I dropped it. I'm checking it out now... ugh, the official website has it as a bittorrent only dl. 3kb per second here we come!

[Niode]

I use my iPod in the exact same way as you. Have the same amount of files. Never use playlists. Yet I have no problems what-so-ever. Either your system sucks, your ipod is fubar, or there is something generally wrong with your system. Tried re-installing iTunes? Tried a fresh install of winblows?

I've never used iTunes on a PC, ever. So it might be a problem with iTunes on windows. I've never seen any of these problems you are facing and we are practically in the same setup, except my operating system is different. (read superior )

[lordofduct]

And there you go... that isn't user error.

I agree, iTunes on Mac is a far superior experience. The product suffered tremendously during its port to Windows. But that is no excuse... Apple should do something about that. It's not the iPod, I ruled that out because it does it on any iPod. Reinstalling doesn't change it because this occurs on any Windows PC I've used. Which also cancels out the possibility its my rig.

In the end I'm saying, it's a poor quality port by Apple...

As for Mac being superior... that's just a matter of opinion. I personally find their OS unintuitive and boring. I run two PCs side by side, Windows and Linux. Windows for work (as my jobs use languages geared towards Windows users), and Linux because I love it. But holy crap iPods hate Linux... but hey that's what happens with opensource software, I'm a bit more forgiving of joe blow in a garage who gave me the software for free and open. I'm not forgiving of a multi-billion dollar company who boasts they are the leader in quality hardware and software. So far as much that their users blindly call their OS "superior".

[Niode]

I don't find it boring at all. I find it hyper intuitive. My productivity goes through the roof when I use OS X, when using windows I find myself swearing constantly asking why things don't work the way they should. Take this afternoon at work, I had to use a colleagues vista PC and within 5 minutes I was swearing my head off because I couldn't even find where my fucking memory stick had disappeared to. Don't even get me started on office 2007. WTF happened to a uniform menu system?!

Enough ranting about OS'

I'm sorry I blamed it on user error. I assumed iTunes would be the same on any OS it is the same program after all.

I guess it's Apple's way of returning the favour for previous versions of Office that sucked monkey dick on the OS, yet still being shackled to MS' godforsaken motherfucking .doc format.

[lordofduct]

I can say the same when I go on OSX... it's just what you're used to. Windows does the job differently, the user interface is different. If I walked on my hands all my life and then was told to walk on my feet like everyone else, I probably would have a hard time doing it and find it bizarre, annoying, and unintuitive.