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mjmjr25 wrote:Bookmark post.

Afraid to actually read anything now as we are just now mid-way through season 2 and afraid of spoilers. Will come back to read after...


Yeah, unfortunately this topic has a lot of comic book readers making it spoilerific
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Luke wrote:Holy S#!T:
They finally decided to give T-Dog some dialogue! Not much, but still, yay!


lol, i agree. i'm enjoying this season so far. alot better pacing and it seems they upped the budget.
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Gamerforlife wrote:I like what Carl did. I didn't see anybody else go looking for an infirmary.


It's not what he did, it's how he did it. Going to the infirmary was the right thing to do, and needed to be done, but at the very least he should have told someone what he was doing, or he should have tried to get Glen to go with him (I know Rick told Glen to stay put, but I think the prospect of saving Hershel would have prompted him to move). Instead he left everyone there, with them thinking he was organizing the food.

Sure, he killed two zombies. Good for him. What if there had been more? Gun or no gun he's still only, what, 10? As the shows proven, all it takes in one strong or sneaky zombie and even the most favorite of characters can go down. And to top it off, no one would have known about it, because they were to focused on Hershel.

He may have done the right thing, but he did it the wrong way.


Also, his little attitude doesn't win him any points for me either. And why is it that the only one to put him in his place is the young girl?


Gamerforlife wrote:Also, I hate Hershel's daughters. They are weak as fuck mentally and emotionally. They give up all hope at like the drop of a hat. It's pathetic. One was all like, "I want to kill myself" last season. Now Maggie is all like, "It's okay dad. Stopping fighting and just give up and die." Jesus. It's a good thing Maggie's cute, as she's a real downer to have in an apocalypse. When she first appeared on the show, she seemed like a strong female riding on her horse and kicking zombie ass. She's the complete opposite now. They need Andrea and Michone in the group quick, because the ladies are all kind of pathetic. Letting the men do all the ass kicking while they whine and cry


I think you're confusing emotionally weak with touching moment.

You think Maggie wanted Hershel to die? Of course not. She was thinking practically. Most everyone around her that she knew has died or she watched die and come back from the dead, including a lot of her friends and family. That's got to be hard.

Hershel's essentially on his death bed and it doesn't look good for him. That whole scene you mentioned was about her not wanting him to suffer and trying to let him know that if he was in pain and clinging to life for their sakes, that it was okay to let go because they could take care of themselves. That's not being emotionally weak. That's trying to remain strong in the wake of another potentially deviating loss.

And while Maggie was doing that, her sister did have hope. You don't start ripping off one pant leg of your fathers slacks and talk about the potential of him tripping over them when you've given up hope and expect to burry him in them. You do that because you expect him to live.

As for the whole "kicking zombie ass" thing, I think you've forgotten the first episode already, where Maggie was the only female in the group that helped stormed the prison. I think she's doing just fine in that area. So she was crying this episode. So what? She thought her father was going to die, for gods sake. Not everyone can lose their emotional core as quickly as Rick can.

We definitely need more Michone, though. We got jack-squat of her or Andrea this episode. I guess they'll figure more prominently in the next episode.
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Michi wrote:
Gamerforlife wrote:I like what Carl did. I didn't see anybody else go looking for an infirmary.


It's not what he did, it's how he did it. Going to the infirmary was the right thing to do, and needed to be done, but at the very least he should have told someone what he was doing, or he should have tried to get Glen to go with him (I know Rick told Glen to stay put, but I think the prospect of saving Hershel would have prompted him to move). Instead he left everyone there, with them thinking he was organizing the food.

Sure, he killed two zombies. Good for him. What if there had been more? Gun or no gun he's still only, what, 10? As the shows proven, all it takes in one strong or sneaky zombie and even the most favorite of characters can go down. And to top it off, no one would have known about it, because they were to focused on Hershel.

He may have done the right thing, but he did it the wrong way.


Also, his little attitude doesn't win him any points for me either. And why is it that the only one to put him in his place is the young girl?


Gamerforlife wrote:Also, I hate Hershel's daughters. They are weak as fuck mentally and emotionally. They give up all hope at like the drop of a hat. It's pathetic. One was all like, "I want to kill myself" last season. Now Maggie is all like, "It's okay dad. Stopping fighting and just give up and die." Jesus. It's a good thing Maggie's cute, as she's a real downer to have in an apocalypse. When she first appeared on the show, she seemed like a strong female riding on her horse and kicking zombie ass. She's the complete opposite now. They need Andrea and Michone in the group quick, because the ladies are all kind of pathetic. Letting the men do all the ass kicking while they whine and cry


I think you're confusing emotionally weak with touching moment.

You think Maggie wanted Hershel to die? Of course not. She was thinking practically. Most everyone around her that she knew has died or she watched die and come back from the dead, including a lot of her friends and family. That's got to be hard.

Hershel's essentially on his death bed and it doesn't look good for him. That whole scene you mentioned was about her not wanting him to suffer and trying to let him know that if he was in pain and clinging to life for their sakes, that it was okay to let go because they could take care of themselves. That's not being emotionally weak. That's trying to remain strong in the wake of another potentially deviating loss.

And while Maggie was doing that, her sister did have hope. You don't start ripping off one pant leg of your fathers slacks and talk about the potential of him tripping over them when you've given up hope and expect to burry him in them. You do that because you expect him to live.

As for the whole "kicking zombie ass" thing, I think you've forgotten the first episode already, where Maggie was the only female in the group that helped stormed the prison. I think she's doing just fine in that area. So she was crying this episode. So what? She thought her father was going to die, for gods sake. Not everyone can lose their emotional core as quickly as Rick can.

We definitely need more Michone, though. We got jack-squat of her or Andrea this episode. I guess they'll figure more prominently in the next episode.


What Maggie did was bizarre and shows that she's losing her mental stability. NOBODY lies by their unconscious father and tells him to just let go and die. That is NOT normal behavior. People just don't DO that. You hold his hand, say a prayer and hope he wakes up. That's what NORMAL people do. It's not like he was a vegatable on life support. She was waaaaaaay too quick to give up on him. Also, Maggie is falling into a pattern of weak behavior. And yeah, she IS emotionally AND mentally weak. She lost her shit during last season's finale. Glen had to stabilize her. Again, this week's episode we saw Glen have to talk to her to get her to not completely lose hope. She'd be falling apart and turning into a nutcase like Lori if not for Glenn. All these emotional and mental breakdowns we keep seeing. It's the women. It furthers negative female stereotypes. Remember suicidal Andrea? Yeah, my point made. The men are the ones keeping their shit together. Even when they are at their low points, they don't just completely give up, on either themselves or on others. This is why I so badly want to see more of Michone. From what I've read of the comic so far, she's a tough woman who can take charge, doesn't back down, and doesn't whine and cry all the time

As for Carl, somebody made mention of the fact that Hershel needed an infirmary, or needed supplies from one. NO ONE DID SHIT. If anything, the adults should be ashamed that the FUCKING CHILD was the only one to go brave danger to find the infirmary. Carl is being like his dad. He's taking charge and risking his own life to save others. That's admirable, reckless or not. Thank god he's not taking after his mother and just whining or bitching every other minute or going into her, "whoa is me" mode and just being generally useless.
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When Rick put the machete in that guy's head he had to have been thinking, "I'm not putting up with another Shane bitch." :lol:

"Shit happens"

I always liked Rick, but I like this bad ass version of him even more. He's not someone to eff with now, but he's not a psychopath like Shane
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Gotta watch the newest episode tonight! I don't have cable. :( but because I like this series so much I bought a season pass on iTunes instead of just hitting TPB for free.
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WOOHOO! AMC is back on dish... I'll have to catch up when I can for next week...

On the question of the mental stability of characters, I can't help but notice that they stick with the common theme that women want to end it all and the men turn into hyper violent perverts. Though, the show will probably come out like the comic, where the further you get in the more you see that not a single damn person is normal in this situation. Everyone is fucked up on the inside. Just a matter of time for it to come out.
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Gamerforlife wrote:What Maggie did was bizarre and shows that she's losing her mental stability. NOBODY lies by their unconscious father and tells him to just let go and die. That is NOT normal behavior. People just don't DO that.

She wasn't sitting next to him and telling him to "go and die". That's not what was happening. She was telling him that her and her sister would be okay. She saw him lying there, bleeding, struggling to breath and in pain, and wanted him to know that he didn't have to do that for their sake. She didn't want that for him. She didn't want to watch someone she loved suffer. Not if it was just for their sake. What she didn't want was for him to have to suffer for them.

Gamerforlife wrote:You hold his hand, say a prayer and hope he wakes up. That's what NORMAL people do.

And they did do that. They all did that. Maggie included. They stood vigil by his bed for a good portion of the episode. She wanted him to live. She just didn't want him to suffer.

Gamerforlife wrote:It's not like he was a vegatable on life support. She was waaaaaaay too quick to give up on him.

They don't even have the option of life support anymore. They're in the middle of an apocalypse. Most of the population has been whipped out, society is in shambles, and groups of people are running around like nomads, salvaging whatever they can from wherever they can and trying not to get eaten by the hordes undead. There are no police, emt, doctors or hospitals and the only person you know with any medical knowledge is lying in front of you, bleeding from having their leg amputated with a large, unsterilized axe. And her first thought wasn't that he was going to pull through? *shock!*

Gamerforlife wrote:Also, Maggie is falling into a pattern of weak behavior. And yeah, she IS emotionally AND mentally weak. She lost her shit during last season's finale.

Perhaps because the only home she'd ever known had just been attacked by the undead masses, several people she knew had just been eaten, and her semi-peaceful life had just been shattered? You expect everyone to react to that with, "All right, moving on..."?

Gamerforlife wrote:The men are the ones keeping their shit together.

Just don't put Shane in that category. Lord knows he was a glowing example :lol:

Gamerforlife wrote:Carl is being like his dad. He's taking charge and risking his own life to save others. That's admirable, reckless or not.

I would argue that the middle of a zombie apocalypse is no time for anyone to be reckless, admirable reasoning or not. He could have inadvertently led a group of zombies right to the rest of them. Again, I'm not saying he did the wrong thing, I'm saying he did it the wrong way. I'm sure Maggie and Glenn would have been more than happy to go with him.

Forlorn Drifter wrote:WOOHOO! AMC is back on dish... I'll have to catch up when I can for next week...

I'm surprised it took them that long. Enjoy catching up!

Forlorn Drifter wrote: Though, the show will probably come out like the comic, where the further you get in the more you see that not a single damn person is normal in this situation. Everyone is fucked up on the inside. Just a matter of time for it to come out.

Horrible situations tend to bring out the worst in people. That's usually how these things go.
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I did have issues with maggie's downer nature at first, but her bedside one way conversation made total sense. Death is not the worst thing that can happen in this world, her point of view made sense, but again, only in her scene with hershel, not so much in the beginning when she was being pointlessly negative.
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And the men have not kept their shit together. Crazy guy digging holes. . .Suicidal CDC guy. . .shane. . . T-dogg has lost his mind and pussied out. . .
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