Devil May Cry from Ninja Theory

[dsheinem]

Every time a DmC topic gets bumped somewhere, I die a little inside. Soon, NT will have accomplished what they set out to do originally, and DMC fans everywhere will all have black and withered souls. Think DRM is bad? On disc DLC? Re-releases? These guys are straight up murderers, THEY'RE KILLING ME.

oh come off it. DMC is easily one of my top three favorite post-2000 IPs, and the more I see footage and read articles, the more excited I get for the reboot - despite some misgivings at first. Ninja Theory's previous games are fine (Heavenly Sword is a great early PS3 title which has some elements of DMC-esque combat), and I already think it looks much better than DMC 2 or 4. Unless you are super-wrapped up in the story or character designs of the original games, I don't see what the downside is to a game that focuses on a younger Dante.

[Phades]

A remake cancels out the existance of the original that everyone loved. Didn't you know that? I unerstand why people would be disappointed that it's not what they hoped for; but the outrage and hate is just silly.

I can't wait for this game. I think Heavenly Sword and Enslaved are underrated games and hope this is a huge hit. Ninja Theory deserves it, they make great games.

[brunoafh]

Okay so I watched the video, and if that's in-game combat then it doesn't look too shabby. Maybe I was playing different games than you guys, but Heavenly Sword and Enslaved combat sucked. Was completely boring and pretty glitchy. Not impressive in any way and DMC 4 blows both away in the combat department, big time. I never understood the complaints about DMC 4 combat, or DMC 4 in general. I thought the combat was excellent. I mean yeah the game is no DMC 3, but it was good. DMC in general is all about the combat, and since a developer known for having lame and buggy combat engines has gotten a hold of the franchise, it's very disappointing for me.

They're most likely going to all but drain the spirit of DMC too. Can't say for sure, the video I watched seemed like they were trying to make Dante to be the cocky jerk that he is, but I just have a feeling he's going to end up being an angsty teen, which is the exact opposite of what they tried to do with young Dante in DMC 3 and what made it work so well.

I mean all in all I don't really care and I'm just going to ignore the game. I'd play a demo just to see what's up but eh DMC had it's glory days and now they're gone. I was trying to be silly with my post, I'm not here to fling GFAQs rage posts around.

Also, wtf, why did they feel the need to make him flying around naked in the beginning?

Unless you are super-wrapped up in the story or character sprites of the original games, I don't see what the downside is to a game that focuses on a younger Dante.

As a matter of fact, I grew to really like the original Dante and the character design (RIP bro), and the shit character redesign is one of my biggest gripes. It may seen trite to you, and most, but it irritates me. What irritates me further, was reading the interview with Capcom and them saying they intentionally made the redesign controversial to draw attention to the game. They're pissing me and others off on purpose to get people talking about the game more and give it more publicity, and it's working.

I liked Vergil and Trish a lot too.

[dsheinem]

Okay so I watched the video, and if that's in-game combat then it doesn't look too shabby. Maybe I was playing different games than you guys, but Heavenly Sword and Enslaved combat sucked. Was completely boring and pretty glitchy. Not impressive in any way and DMC 4 blows both away in the combat department, big time. I never understood the complaints about DMC 4 combat, or DMC 4 in general. I thought the combat was excellent. I mean yeah the game is no DMC 3, but it was good. DMC in general is all about the combat, and since a developer known for having lame and buggy combat engines has gotten a hold of the franchise, it's very disappointing for me.

They're most likely going to all but drain the spirit of DMC too. Can't say for sure, the video I watched seemed like they were trying to make Dante to be the cocky jerk that he is, but I just have a feeling he's going to end up being an angsty teen, which is the exact opposite of what they tried to do with young Dante in DMC 3 and what made it work so well.

I mean all in all I don't really care and I'm just going to ignore the game. I'd play a demo just to see what's up but eh DMC had it's glory days and now they're gone. I was trying to be silly with my post, I'm not here to fling GFAQs rage posts around.

Also, wtf, why did they feel the need to make him flying around naked in the beginning?

Unless you are super-wrapped up in the story or character sprites of the original games, I don't see what the downside is to a game that focuses on a younger Dante.

As a matter of fact, I grew to really like the original Dante and the character design (RIP bro), and the shit character redesign is one of my biggest gripes. It may seen trite to you, and most, but it irritates me. What irritates me further, was reading the interview with Capcom and them saying they intentionally made the redesign controversial to draw attention to the game. They're pissing me and others off on purpose to get people talking about the game more and give it more publicity, and it's working.

I liked Vergil and Trish a lot too.

I thought Heavenly Sword's combat was fine for what it was - and quite good for a launch title on difficult hardware. I also quite liked the arrow/catapult mechanic (when controlled with a stick, not motion) and it gave me a sense that the company knew how to handle speed. They also did a good job with lots of enemies on the screen at once in that game. I don't know that the engine for HS was as refined as those of more recent games in the genre are today, but the game certainly didn't "suck". I have yet to play Enslaved, but I didn't think it was a combat-focused game. From what I've seen of Enslaved, NT knows how to do environments well, something I'm sure you'd agree that, just like speed and enemy management, is key to DMC historically.

I too like the original Dante design and universe, and even DMC2 and DMC4, while both much worse than their predecessors in areas like level design, character design, and story, are fun games in their own right and well worth playing. I think DMC2 gets too much of a bad rap and DMC4 too much of a pass, but they are about on par with one another and, for that matter, they are both probably about as good as Heavenly Sword when taken as a whole (e.g. they have better combat, worse other stuff).

I would prefer that they kept the original Dante too, I hear you there. But the NT pedigree isn't something to turn me off - it piques my interest. DMC3 is my all time favorite game ever, but that doesn't mean that I won't play another take on the gameworld just becasue Dante looks more like a Twilight character. I feel that your decision to write it off and "maybe play the demo" is a poor one, and that you've already made up your mind that you'll find lots of fault in the game to justify ignoring it.

[Gamerforlife]

Okay so I watched the video, and if that's in-game combat then it doesn't look too shabby. Maybe I was playing different games than you guys, but Heavenly Sword and Enslaved combat sucked. Was completely boring and pretty glitchy. Not impressive in any way and DMC 4 blows both away in the combat department, big time. I never understood the complaints about DMC 4 combat, or DMC 4 in general. I thought the combat was excellent. I mean yeah the game is no DMC 3, but it was good. DMC in general is all about the combat, and since a developer known for having lame and buggy combat engines has gotten a hold of the franchise, it's very disappointing for me.

They're most likely going to all but drain the spirit of DMC too. Can't say for sure, the video I watched seemed like they were trying to make Dante to be the cocky jerk that he is, but I just have a feeling he's going to end up being an angsty teen, which is the exact opposite of what they tried to do with young Dante in DMC 3 and what made it work so well.

I mean all in all I don't really care and I'm just going to ignore the game. I'd play a demo just to see what's up but eh DMC had it's glory days and now they're gone. I was trying to be silly with my post, I'm not here to fling GFAQs rage posts around.

Also, wtf, why did they feel the need to make him flying around naked in the beginning?

Unless you are super-wrapped up in the story or character sprites of the original games, I don't see what the downside is to a game that focuses on a younger Dante.

As a matter of fact, I grew to really like the original Dante and the character design (RIP bro), and the shit character redesign is one of my biggest gripes. It may seen trite to you, and most, but it irritates me. What irritates me further, was reading the interview with Capcom and them saying they intentionally made the redesign controversial to draw attention to the game. They're pissing me and others off on purpose to get people talking about the game more and give it more publicity, and it's working.

I liked Vergil and Trish a lot too.

I have yet to play Enslaved, but I didn't think it was a combat-focused game.

It tries to be in the game's last act, where it throws as much combat at you as a Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden game would. The combat is kind of mediocre. Enslaved was a weird mix of genres. It tries to mix co-op gameplay in the vein of Ico with stealth based gameplay. At one point in the game it just turns into an out and out third person shooter. There's also a lot of platforming segments, but most require no skill at all. It's platforming for babies pretty much. Then there's this weird hover board thing you use in some parts. That game just didn't know what it wanted to be. It never really fully commits to anything, making each part of the gameplay not really stand up well on its own

I'm not convinced NT can pull it off either, but I'll keep an open mind. Neither Enslaved or HS were great games in my opinion. They have amazing visuals, particularly with the great facial expressions, and they seem to want to tell really great stories, but the gameplay feels amateurish. DMC, to me, just seems above their pay grade.

[Stark]

DMC in general is all about the combat, and since a developer known for having lame and buggy combat engines has gotten a hold of the franchise, it's very disappointing for me.

The combat engine was buggy in Enslaved? It seemed fine to me. I can see the arguement that the combat was a little shallow, but I had fun with it. The character animation is insane in Enslaved, better then Uncharted IMO.

I thought Heavenly Sword's combat was fine for what it was - and quite good for a launch title on difficult hardware. I also quite liked the arrow/catapult mechanic (when controlled with a stick, not motion) and it gave me a sense that the company knew how to handle speed. They also did a good job with lots of enemies on the screen at once in that game. I don't know that the engine for HS was as refined as those of more recent games in the genre are today, but the game certainly didn't "suck". I have yet to play Enslaved, but I didn't think it was a combat-focused game. From what I've seen of Enslaved, NT knows how to do environments well, something I'm sure you'd agree that, just like speed and enemy management, is key to DMC historically.

You should play Enslaved dsh, I think you would like it. It does have a collect-a-thon element for weapon upgrades, but since it is not a collect to proceed you may be okay with it.

[Gamerforlife]

You should play Enslaved dsh, I think you would like it. It does have a collect-a-thon element for weapon upgrades, but since it is not a collect to proceed you may be okay with it.

Yeah, they kind of give you everything you need at the beginning of the game. The upgrades just make certain things easier. It would be interesting to see dsh's thoughts on Trip, who I found to be a rather detestable character even by the end of the game. One thing I found cool about Enslaved was that weird thing Monkey had on his wrist. He would automatically raise it to absorb gunfire, but it only could absorb a certain amount. That's certainly more clever than him just having some kind of rechargeable health or shield bar with no explanation given for why he can absorb bullets. It's a small thing that I'm sure no one else would care about, but I like the little things. I like that he isn't just a bullet absorbing robot like most video game characters who get shot and shrug it off like bug bites.

[brunoafh]

I thought Heavenly Sword's combat was fine for what it was - and quite good for a launch title on difficult hardware.

I would agree with that. But that's basically my complaint. DMC games (3 in particular) are pretty much the benchmark for modern day 3D action games. This is kind of like taking 90s SquareSoft games and then putting the franchise in the hands of... well you know what I mean, just a mediocre team that's not going to do it justice. It's not an outrage but a recipe for lots of disappointment.

Another thing in my head is that the game might just be a typical 8 hour action game, like "cinematic" game. Stuff like Uncharted, most FPS, NT's games themselves, etc. Now that's not a bad thing at all, I even enjoy games like that from time to time, but it's just not my gig. I need some SSStyle.

The Heavenly Sword combat isn't terrible, just pretty boring. For some reason it looked weird to me too, like nothing flowed how it should have, both gameplay wise and visually. I even thought the Conan PS3 game was funner. As for Enslaved, same problem, only the combat is even less appealing. I'm think the developers were given guidelines that looked something like this: Make the most uninteresting combat mechanics you possibly can, and be sure to avoid any innovation at all costs. Failure to comply with these requests will immediately result in a fiery death for you. And they listened. It's not to say the games are like godawful nightmares, just boring meh games. I mean, I'm not the only one that feels this way. NT's games sell atrociously for a reason. Enslaved has gotta be one of the worst selling games this gen.

I also have a distaste for the team in general.
http://devilmaycry.org/community/thread ... ated.9814/
They're assholes. I tried to look for this one article where the head of the studio insulted his fans by saying Heavenly Sword selling poorly was their fault.

I feel that your decision to write it off and "maybe play the demo" is a poor one, and that you've already made up your mind that you'll find lots of fault in the game to justify ignoring it.

Well I think you're not quite reading me there, probably because I was being so overly critical, seemingly blindly. It's just that... I have no interest. I have enough trouble keeping up with new releases as it is, I see no reason to add another one to the list I'm super apprehensive about and don't really care about anyway. I'd rather buy the upcoming HD collection, if I'm going to be taking anything out of the wallet for DMC. Once the game is in the bargain bin for like $5 down the road, maybe I'll play it for some laughs then if I'm having a boring afternoon.

[Stark]

Another thing in my head is that the game might just be a typical 8 hour action game, like "cinematic" game. Stuff like Uncharted, most FPS, NT's games themselves, etc. Now that's not a bad thing at all, I even enjoy games like that from time to time, but it's just not my gig. I need some SSStyle.

I think this is where the issue lies. That kinda of thing ^ is why I'm looking forward to the game instead of doubting it.

[Xeogred]

I really can't bring myself to care about this. Even as a fan of Enslaved, this just doesn't look appealing to me at all. Totally has that cinematic "this is the experience we will MAKE you have!" look to it, and the combat might "look" nice but it could probably be very shallow and not intricate at all, and that girl already makes the whole experience look hilariously just like NT's other stuff with their buddy system setups.

Who knows. Maybe it'll be good, but it's not on my radar. I only played DMC4 and loved it, a big chunk of DMC1, and that's it besides the demo or something short from DMC3. As a casual average fan of the series I'm way more stoked in picking up the HD collection over this.

Enslaved was good but also had that repetition I hated. Despite being extremely short, it took me quite awhile to finish it. Just like the Uncharted games, I can only play movie games like this in like 30 minute bursts or an hour max sometimes... they just don't hold me. So this kind of looks the same, just not something I'd dump my money on. Plus I hate Crapcom nowadays and don't trust them anymore. /random