Why I hate "dudebro," "brogamer," etc.

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BoringSupreez wrote:I can remember that when I first started out years ago there were plenty of people who claimed that if you didn't grow up with the NES, you could never be truly a retro gamer. And there were people who said the same about the 2600, although I haven't seen that in years.
Its still there on AtariAge...

Thats a daft attitude, anybody who is interested in the classics can call themselves a retro gamer, whether they remember launch day or not.

I also hate the 'your not a gamer unless you've played OoT' or whatever. There are too many fantastic games for one person to ever play them all.

Looking at my last post, it looks like I'm arguing against dsh, which in a sense I am, but I still can't stand elitists, or stop using commas all the flippin time.
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So did you step down from mod so you could tell people to go fuck themselves? I kid but really I don't think anyone takes it seriously. It is a term used for people who just play Madden and COD and honestly if you told those people that nerds called them DudeBros they would probably think it was a bad ass name. Besides, I can't stop thinking of Dean from Code Monkeys every time some one says it.

I know you hate dudebro, how women are shown in gaming, and many other things. Be all the activist you want to be but don't expect everyone to follow it. I love games and their history and future just like everyone else but its just games. It isn't cancer, slavery, animal abuse or inhumane acts. Its just a bunch of pixels. You'll never be able to stop things you don't like that other people do. And when you think they are stupid for it then you are the one creating the class system. I know you will have very good rebuttals to this but this is going to be the only thing I say in here. I have pro gaming topics to jump on.

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BoringSupreez wrote:
Curlypaul wrote:You really think that its got worse? I remember plenty convos in my early days that had strong overtones of eilitism, using reasons such as the number of years a person has been gaming and the type of games that they like to play.
Elitism is definitely not new to retro gaming. I can remember that when I first started out years ago there were plenty of people who claimed that if you didn't grow up with the NES, you could never be truly a retro gamer. And there were people who said the same about the 2600, although I haven't seen that in years.
It's still bad. There was that RadicalLanzer guy or whatever that got so pissed off by the fact that some of us might enjoy modern games that he left. :lol:

I've stopped using brogamer for the most part, since my taste in games can be somewhat "dudebro"ish. I mean, 80% of my gaming time is spent playing online FPS games. I've been called a brogamer for playing Tribes recently as well.

For the record, I only ever really classified "brogamers" as the ones that completely dismiss and bash anything but the latest CoD or Madden. Not anybody that enjoys them but simply isn't interested in anything else.

I'd consider the gamercism (not a word, but i'm rolling with it) a low priority on the problems to stamp out on these forums. There's far more pressing issues with this place IMO.
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RyaNtheSlayA wrote:It's still bad. There was that RadicalLanzer guy or whatever that got so pissed off by the fact that some of us might enjoy modern games that he left. :lol:
Radical Lanzar wrote:I think I've seen enough of this place. The bullshit is rampant, I'm gone. To the people here that are actually decent, you have my kudos, you guys rock and made my stay here good.
Yeah, that was pretty good.
RyaNtheSlayA wrote:I've stopped using brogamer for the most part, since my taste in games can be somewhat "dudebro"ish. I mean, 80% of my gaming time is spent playing online FPS games. I've been called a brogamer for playing Tribes recently as well.
Seriously? Tribes is so old I'm surprised anyone would consider it a "brogame."
RyaNtheSlayA wrote:I'd consider the gamercism (not a word, but i'm rolling with it) a low priority on the problems to stamp out on these forums. There's far more pressing issues with this place IMO.
Yeah, I haven't seen anyone leave over the use of brogamer, dudebro, retro hipster, or brogame. Generally if they're even browsing this site in the first place, they don't even fall into those stereotypes. It's like making fun of the Amish on TV. Who's gonna care? The Amish don't even watch TV, so they'll never find out.
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sbk wrote:So did you step down from mod so you could tell people to go fuck themselves? I kid but really I don't think anyone takes it seriously...
There are several reasons I stepped down as mod, and one of them was that I could no could slog through the increasing number of shit posts and topics that were/are taking over the forum. I feel that when you are a mod you really should read just about everything to accurately have your finger on the "pulse" of the forum (others would disagree, of course), and I just reached a place where I no longer wanted to do that. Instead, I'd rather be a regular member and start/participate in the kinds of threads that seem to be consistent with the forum at (what I consider) to be its best. If that occasionally means telling people to go fuck themselves, then so be it.
I know you hate dudebro, how women are shown in gaming, and many other things. Be all the activist you want to be but don't expect everyone to follow it. I love games and their history and future just like everyone else but its just games. It isn't cancer, slavery, animal abuse or inhumane acts. Its just a bunch of pixels.
Except that, to the extent that a community of people socialize and conduct activity around games, consider gaming part of their identity, etc. -- games are more than "just pixels." There's such a thing as gaming culture, and this place is part of it. Hell, I used to think that this place was a shining light in a sea of shit. Maybe I am wrong and my own sensitivities have changed, or maybe (as the majority of the responses to this thread evidence) I am right and this place has become increasingly like all those other retro and other gaming sites that I used to think we were better than when it came to general openness/inclusiveness, productive and interesting discussion and conversation, etc.
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Just another grouping to be honest. I'm more bothered by the people who think all anime-styled games are pedo games. :roll:
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Zing wrote:It's just another stereotype used as a mental shortcut. If I say "dudebro game", you know exactly what type of game I mean. If I say "emo kid", again you know exactly what I mean.
This.
I will just repost part of my answer to that thread

Gamers and people who are into different game genres have always had different stigmas. If women (yes, I do know that there are women that played video games before the PS2/Wii era and blahablahblah ) and drunken fratboys want to their own gaming niches, they will have to learn how to deal with the same shit that roleplayers etc have had to deal for ages. Its ok to bash and make stereotypes of people who play World of Warcraft, but the same people who have been teasing gamers for ages should now be granted some sort of immunity from all slander now that they want to play games too? Some gamers are like self-loathing white knights :|

Two gender threads, one race thread and now this? You seems like a politician who is fixated on diversity - gamers must welcome every new comer with open arms. They are not allowed to preserve their own culture, and they must accept all changes made by outsiders to the culture they perceive as their own.
How about a thread about the awful stereotypes about RPG, eSports or MMORPG players? Playing World of Warcraft has a very widely recognized stigma with many negative associations and stereotypes. Only people on some internet forums care if you play Halo or Madden, there are no commonly known stigmas with those games that even non-gamers aknowledge. How about demanding that those sports fans stop being so elitist and let new people come in and alter their culture? Or any other male-dominated subculture that isnt gaming for that matter? How about female-dominated hobbies? Do they need to make their hobbies more accessible to males, even if it means destroying the part of their hobby that made them like it in the first place?

The point im trying to make is that so called nerds of different kinds, anime nerds, MMORPG players, roleplayers etc carry a stigma in real life because of their freakish hobbies. You could say the same thing about people who are into BDSM or people who follow a certain style -hip hop, emo, goth, hippie, cyber punk etc. While they might be outsiders or carry a stigma in real life because of their hobbies or lifestyle choices, they feel at home with their own kin. A group of likeminded people who have created a new subculture with its own standards and rules. It is unreasonable and despicable to demand that those people need to make their respective subcultures more accesible to people who want to fundamentally alter their culture.
RyaNtheSlayA wrote: I've stopped using brogamer for the most part, since my taste in games can be somewhat "dudebro"ish. I mean, 80% of my gaming time is spent playing online FPS games.
The Online FPS games-category includes PC FPS games in it, which are in many cases anything but brogamer games.
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dsheinem wrote:
sbk wrote:So did you step down from mod so you could tell people to go fuck themselves? I kid but really I don't think anyone takes it seriously...
There are several reasons I stepped down as mod, and one of them was that I could no could slog through the increasing number of shit posts and topics that were/are taking over the forum. I feel that when you are a mod you really should read just about everything to accurately have your finger on the "pulse" of the forum (others would disagree, of course), and I just reached a place where I no longer wanted to do that. Instead, I'd rather be a regular member and start/participate in the kinds of threads that seem to be consistent with the forum at (what I consider) to be its best. If that occasionally means telling people to go fuck themselves, then so be it.
Have you considered that maybe being a mod is the reason you're souring on us? Dealing with all the worst aspects of the site every day probably hasn't done anything to improve your opinion of us.
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BoringSupreez wrote:Have you considered that maybe being a mod is the reason you're souring on us? Dealing with all the worst aspects of the site every day probably hasn't done anything to improve your opinion of us.
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BoringSupreez wrote:
dsheinem wrote:
sbk wrote:So did you step down from mod so you could tell people to go fuck themselves? I kid but really I don't think anyone takes it seriously...
There are several reasons I stepped down as mod, and one of them was that I could no could slog through the increasing number of shit posts and topics that were/are taking over the forum. I feel that when you are a mod you really should read just about everything to accurately have your finger on the "pulse" of the forum (others would disagree, of course), and I just reached a place where I no longer wanted to do that. Instead, I'd rather be a regular member and start/participate in the kinds of threads that seem to be consistent with the forum at (what I consider) to be its best. If that occasionally means telling people to go fuck themselves, then so be it.
Have you considered that maybe being a mod is the reason you're souring on us? Dealing with all the worst aspects of the site every day probably hasn't done anything to improve your opinion of us.
I don't think so, but you might have a point. I think when I was a mod I was fairly hands off in terms of locks, reprimands, etc. (except for BST things), so I actually didn't have to "deal" too much with the "worst aspects" of the site, I just had to read them and, generally, not say much lest it look like I was handing down some official denouncement.

Menegrothx, you're taking this thread much further than it is meant to go, and I think you are inferring far too much about my thoughts on subculture (gaming or otherwise). That said, I do think that because gaming culture has a history of being a refuge for people who were bullied, outcast, ridiculed, etc. that anything that smacks of elitism, sexism, racism, etc. is especially detestable, hypocritical, and should be stamped out. If that means the culture changes, then I'm all for it.
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