Why I hate "dudebro," "brogamer," etc.

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Why I hate "dudebro," "brogamer," etc.

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I got a bit pissy in this thread yesterday because of the author's usage of the term "dudebro" to describe some mythological type of gamer. As Yancakes put it:
Yancakes wrote: They're a pretty new phenomenon, they're the "cool" people that got in to games recently as they've gained more and more mainstream appeal.

They pop collars, call each other bro incessantly...and only play Halo, Call of Duty and sports games.

Obviously, this is a huuuge generalization. But I like it, it tends to hold pretty true.
I told the OP (and was tempted to tell Yancakes) to go fuck themselves with this stereotyping bullshit, but I think the topic deserves a bit more attention than a pissy rebuttal, so I thought I'd start a thread...

Frankly I think it is a very destructive and ungrounded term.

For one, it is a discriminating and insulting term - it suggests a sense of intellectual and social division between people who play a variety of genres and those who play only a few different kinds genres. It is along the same lines as calling someone an "emofag" or "shitkicker" because of their musical preference - it ascribes an identity and behavior for an individual that is unfairly rooted solely in the media they choose to consume.

Additionally, this particular term is one that forecloses people from expanding their gaming interests. I can certainly imagine some hypothetical 15 year old kid who plays a ton of sports games and FPS titles or some 25 year old guy who starts getting nostalgic for old games who, when they get curious about checking out some other genre or games of a different gen, encounter this very insulting depiction of themselves and their current habits in those same communities where they should otherwise be finding guidance and making new connections.

Another reason I hate the term is because it also creates an unwarranted hierarchy in game genres, placing some genres as "more sophisticated" or "smarter" than others - which is certainly not true. I sometimes think people use the term to discount those genres which stress a lot of online competition because they don't enjoy that kind of experience, so it is easier to deride those games and those who play them than to recognize that accomplishing a nice kill/death ratio or winning a league is, perhaps, just as significant and challenging as reaching a level cap or finding all the hidden stars. :roll:

I think it is fair to say that I wouldn't post a thread like this on any other kind of gaming community message board, but I've always thought of racketboy as a place that is better than other boards - the kind of place where we don't discriminate and stratify people based on their gaming preferences. Over the past year or so I've seen more derision for "brogamers," casuals," "retro hipsters," etc. than I have ever seen on the site, and it saddens me. So think of this post as a friendly call to be a bit more considerate with your language choices when posting and a bit more inclusive when thinking about who "we are," because i fear that running with and perpetuating these ridiculous labels and stereotypes (even if we know of some people who fit the profile) does more harm than good and is beneath us.
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agreed totally, Dave. I don't care for any sort of elitism. I feel like our hobby should be one of open-arms rather. I'm not really interested in creating cliques and sticking to one, but rather engaging in conversation when interests overlap from one gamer to another, or even better when interests don't overlap so as to learn more about games I know nothing about.
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dsheinem wrote:I told the OP (and was tempted to tell Yancakes) to go fuck themselves with this stereotyping bullshit, but I think the topic deserves a bit more attention than a pissy rebuttal
I don't. It's rampant idiocy and that's all there is to it.
I think it is fair to say that I wouldn't post a thread like this on any other kind of gaming community message board, but I've always thought of racketboy as a place that is better than other boards - the kind of place where we don't discriminate and stratify people based on their gaming preferences. Over the past year or so I've seen more derision for "brogamers," casuals," "retro hipsters," etc.
This is exactly why it pissed me off. I don't come here to read stupid bullshit, the community/threads here are usually great so when stuff like this comes up it's a lot easier to get irritated by it than if it were to pop up at GameFAQs or places like that.

I will say I read your post, it is very informative and will hopefully enlighten some, and you did a heck of a lot more than most would be willing to do to address such subjects.
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I think you are taking Dudebro too seriously.
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It's just another stereotype used as a mental shortcut. If I say "dudebro game", you know exactly what type of game I mean. If I say "emo kid", again you know exactly what I mean.

"Dudebro" may be offensive to some people, but that doesn't make it incorrect or inefficient as a communicative term. The word can be used in a non-derogatory manner as well as inflammatory. I can understand being against the usage of the term in the context of elitism, but banning or avoiding the word itself won't eliminate the sentiment.
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I try the "open-arms" thing, but still come off as elitist unintentionally.

I do agree though. It probably has something to do with the steriitypical "brogamer" is also a jock (?) and us nerdy tiny, pimpled face "nonbrogamers" always got beat up by jocks(?)

Kind of a unintentional retaliation maybe? Dunno. Steriotypes are so innaccurate its almost funny
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dsheinem wrote: I think it is fair to say that I wouldn't post a thread like this on any other kind of gaming community message board, but I've always thought of racketboy as a place that is better than other boards - the kind of place where we don't discriminate and stratify people based on their gaming preferences. Over the past year or so I've seen more derision for "brogamers," casuals," "retro hipsters," etc. than I have ever seen on the site, and it saddens me.
You really think that its got worse? I remember plenty convos in my early days that had strong overtones of eilitism, using reasons such as the number of years a person has been gaming and the type of games that they like to play.

I think we have more terms for these different groups now though, and while some of them are seen as derogatory, I think that depends on your point of view. For example, my brother-in-law recently linked me to a video called 'How to be a better Brogrammer', he was delighted with discovering the term Brogrammer as he definetely falls into that category. Following on from that I'm pretty sure he's be happy to be called a Brogamer as well.

To flip this around a bit, being called a nerd was often meant as insult but its never bothered me, in fact nowadays I can't help but smile when somebody points it out.

So maybe we only see those labels as scornful because its a reflection on what we think?
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Good point. Maybe we should leave the complaints about "brogamer" to the supposed "victims".
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Curlypaul wrote:So maybe we only see those labels as scornful because its a reflection on what we think?
Well, yeah. Black people can call eachother the "n" word all day long and they don't find it offensive until a white person says it. Sorry for such a bold example, but it's pretty much exactly the same idea.
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Where I live, people of all color call each other the N word.

Its oddly beautiful. Everyone is equal :lol:
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