Wow, Mass Effect really sucks

[D.D.D.]

I think I didn't enjoy Bioshock as much as I should of because I went into it with a "game of the year" mentality. The press raved about it, but the narrative and moral choices really didn't grab me like I thought they would. I also saw the twist coming, but it was still a good one. I did however enjoy the atmosphere immensely.

What do you expect when you go in with expectations as high as the sky? You're likely to be let down.

It wasnt his fault for expecting that. Bioshock was incredibly overrated. I didn't like it much either.

I'm not saying it's fault persay but rather, if something is getting so many 10's and lofty praise, I have to see what it is first-hand in order to gauge my own opinion. I've bought into hype before and I've found that with high expectations, I was only bound to be let down. So anytime I hear something is "awesome", I won't believe it until I watch/play/hear it myself. I always go in expecting a game/movie/CD to be okay and if it it's crap, it's not a huge let down and vice versa (it could blow me away).
I wouldn't call it pessimism but, I was just tired of being let down from hype.

[bobbynewmarkiii]

eh?

I though this was a Mass Effect / Bioware thread? wtf has this got to do with Bioshock?

I'm enjoying BioShock at the moment, although it does feel like a System Shock 2 rip-off, but not as hardcore (you can't die!?! - no GAME OVER ).

I havn't played Mass Effect though, and may be picking this up after i'm done with Bioshock - what's the score with this? Are the action sequences that iffy?

[Ivo]

eh?

I though this was a Mass Effect / Bioware thread? wtf has this got to do with Bioshock?

I was wondering about the non-sequitur, the only thing I can see is they share the "Bio" from developer to game name and both games could be considered action-RPGs.

Ivo.

[Flak Beard]

What do you expect when you go in with expectations as high as the sky? You're likely to be let down.

It wasnt his fault for expecting that. Bioshock was incredibly overrated. I didn't like it much either.

I'm not saying it's fault persay but rather, if something is getting so many 10's and lofty praise, I have to see what it is first-hand in order to gauge my own opinion. I've bought into hype before and I've found that with high expectations, I was only bound to be let down. So anytime I hear something is "awesome", I won't believe it until I watch/play/hear it myself. I always go in expecting a game/movie/CD to be okay and if it it's crap, it's not a huge let down and vice versa (it could blow me away).
I wouldn't call it pessimism but, I was just tired of being let down from hype.

It wasn't necessarily the high marks it was getting, but the fact that several publications gave it "game of the year". I can't help but be intrigued at that point. I didn't think it was a bad game by any means, it just didn't alter my perception or expectations of game design like many said it would. I found it to simply be a solid shooter with an above average story and light RPG elements.

[Gamerforlife]

Enter the Bioshock defense force.

What's wrong with Bioshock? Not run and gun enough for you? Overall there's not a whole lot that's truly innovative about the gameplay but it was incredibly immersive and fun, I thought. Did you get as far as the twist?

Ending sucked, though - that was a real let down after all I went though.

I'm warming up to Mass Effect a bit due to the story, but I still have mixed feelings about combat. Essentially, the game stops being an rpg and turns into a shooter whenever you enter combat. This might have actually been a cool thing, but combat is not executed well. Accuracy is always a problem, your allies are idiots and easily killed(while some enemies are tough and have incredible AI)and there are some other issues I have(like how crappy grenades are compared to other shooters). I'm giving it more time to see if I warm up to combat, but so far...not liking it.

Bioshock's ending was pure crap. The game is also too repetitive. Once you have all your powers and weapons, the game has nothing else to show you. You fight the same damn enemies throughout the whole game. Mutated humans and Big Daddies, that's it. Two enemy types in a big game like Bioshock is lame. The hacking mini-game is cheap and annoying too. This game could have been so much better. Also, the whole morality aspect of the game is completely minor despite all the hype it got. Bioshock is fun for a few hours, then gets boring. If you stick with it to the end though, you're rewarded with a generic final boss fight and a crappy ending(and I'm talking about the good ending)

[Funk, E]

You have to approach Mass Effect's combat a little differently than most shooters. You have to manage what your teammates do--I've only had mine die on me once so far--and grenades become a lot more useful once you upgrade them some. Oh, and you know you can detonate grenades whenever you like by hitting the grenade button again, right? Accuracy is a problem because you need to expend points and upgrade your weapons to HELP with it.

Re: Bioshock

A wonderfully atmospheric but far too repetitive dumbed down version of System Shock 2. Good, but unfortunate.

[Gamerforlife]

You have to approach Mass Effect's combat a little differently than most shooters. You have to manage what your teammates do--I've only had mine die on me once so far--and grenades become a lot more useful once you upgrade them some. Oh, and you know you can detonate grenades whenever you like by hitting the grenade button again, right? Accuracy is a problem because you need to expend points and upgrade your weapons to HELP with it.

Re: Bioshock

A wonderfully atmospheric but far too repetitive dumbed down version of System Shock 2. Good, but unfortunate.

What annoys me about my allies is that they tend to ignore my squad commands frequently, and they don't seem to ever use first aid and I haven't figured out how to MAKE them use it. They're not especially smart about using cover either. I am having a little more fun with combat though. I basically just use my allies now as decoys or to lure the enemy out one by one where I can gun them down. I also put the biotic is my party and that lift power of hers is pretty useful, and quite entertaining I might add. I also starting using different ammo types and after leveling up my sniper rifle to the max, the damn thing finally feels like a proper, useful weapon.

I'm finding myself surprisingly enjoying the jeep sections more now. I hated them at first. The controls seemed weird and it seemed impossible to hit anything. I realize now that you HAVE to zoom in to hit anything, which is stupid but hey it works. I also didn't realize I had a rocket, which is pretty awesome. I find you can win most combat situations in the jeep by just driving in a circle and shooting/rocketing everything. Once you got the force whittled down to one or two guys, you can get really sadistic and run them over.

One thing I still hate though, the extremely annoying combat dialog. Why do enemies have to scream, "Enemies everywhere!!"over and over and over again? The combat dialog is pretty bad

I think I might like Mass Effect in the long run, but it's definitely one of those games where first impressions where not good. I'll probably end up liking it more than Bioshock though.

[Funk, E]

Wait until you fight a thresher maw in the Mako. Whoa.

Actually, I've had the First Aid problem, too. Might be worth asking about in the Bioware forums.

[RadarScope1]

My fault on derailing the thread. I think everyone's criticisms of Bioshock are all right on. I think I just enjoyed it a lot because I typically do not play FPS games, for one thing. I just really like the concept, and the storyline. Whenever I play a game where the story doesn't feel ripped off from a thousand other games or generic sci-fi movies I tend to get excited. Probably says more about the sad state of games now than it does about Bioshock itself....

[Gamerforlife]

Wait until you fight a thresher maw in the Mako. Whoa.

Actually, I've had the First Aid problem, too. Might be worth asking about in the Bioware forums.

Thrasher maws are cool, but I don't like how the game keeps re-using them. I don't understand how these things can exist on different worlds. Aren't they native to some planet? I was hoping the game could throw some other kind of boss at me to keep things fresh instead of thrasher maws all the time

My fault on derailing the thread. I think everyone's criticisms of Bioshock are all right on. I think I just enjoyed it a lot because I typically do not play FPS games, for one thing. I just really like the concept, and the storyline. Whenever I play a game where the story doesn't feel ripped off from a thousand other games or generic sci-fi movies I tend to get excited. Probably says more about the sad state of games now than it does about Bioshock itself....

There are some good concepts in the game, and I did like the world and the atmosphere...but the game just needs more. It feels incomplete. I wanted to love it, but it kept leaving me wanting. Rumor is Bioshock is going to become a franchise though, so I guess they've got quite a few opportunities to get it right in the sequels.