Let's fight back against the NDAA

[MrPopo]

The reality is, poll after poll shows the majority of American's are against it. Granted, the numbers are swayed to each polarity by generational categories, but regardless, isn't that what you want? The majority to be able to fight for what they prefer? To have their voices heard? The right to voice their opinions? I guess its only when their opinions are the same as yours, apparently.

The reality is that billions upon billions of dollars have been spent lying to people about drugs. It's not the voice of the people you're hearing. It's the voice of the alcohol, tobacco, firearms, law enforcement, and prison industries.

I have no problem obeying legitimate government. But legitimate government is based on the consent of the governed. Consent is only valid if it is informed consent. People have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that there's simply not a shred of legitimacy left.

The reality is that you are falling under the same trap that Inazuma does; you assume that everyone would come to the same conclusion you do, that the problem is they aren't getting the information you have. You can't fathom that maybe other people don't think the way you do; that they can come to different conclusions then you do.

[Inazuma]

But he's totally right.

If only well informed people were allowed to vote in order to decide if drugs should be legal or illegal, not only would they be legal, but it would have been a landslide decision. Same story with gay marriage.

By the way, I have never done drugs or even smoked a cigarette. I also never plan on getting married. I'm just a well informed individual who wants to improve things for everyone in general.

[Hobie-wan]

I have no problem obeying legitimate government. But legitimate government is based on the consent of the governed. Consent is only valid if it is informed consent. People have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that there's simply not a shred of legitimacy left.

The reality is that you are falling under the same trap that Inazuma does; you assume that everyone would come to the same conclusion you do, that the problem is they aren't getting the information you have. You can't fathom that maybe other people don't think the way you do; that they can come to different conclusions then you do.

Indeed. Speaking of smoking in general terms, yes I had it drilled into me at a young age that smoking was bad even though I had relatives that smoked. I didn't need to be told that cigarette smoke smelled nasty and I never saw a person smoke their first few cigarettes without coughing and choking. Inhaling other kinds of smoke from fires was similarly bad. I really didn't need some 'government conspiracy' to tell me that smoke was bad. My body told me easily enough.

Now I do think people should be free to make their own (stupid IMHO) choices when they don't affect others and I wish the marijuana plant was decriminilized so people could just grow their own and it could be taxed like cigarettes. I'd like to see the paper industry utilize it instead of trees again as well.

[o.pwuaioc]

You want to make a deal? Get Lloyd Blankfein prosecuted under RICO and I'll march my ass down to the local police office and turn myself in. If the rich can flout the law, I can too.

But he didn't say that you should turn yourself in...

Logic, people, logic.

[mjmjr25]

But he's totally right. In my opinion.

If only well informed people were allowed to vote in order to decide if drugs should be legal or illegal, not only would they be legal, but it would have been a landslide decision. Same story with gay marriage, in my opinion.

^Izzhe, i've helped you. This has been pointed out to you soooo many times. So, i'll just help you out, maybe you'll catch on. Your opinion, is not a fact. Please, in all sincerity, learn the difference of the two.

Before your latest, it was stated that believe it or not, we are informed with the same information, we have come to a different conclusion than you. Disagreeing with your opinion does not make us wrong. It does not make us uninformed.

Here's your homework. Research what is an "opinion". Research what is a "fact". Turn it in tomorrow. Going forward, try to post according to what you've learned. My hopes are muted, so, no pressure.

[Inazuma]

But he's totally right. In my opinion.

If only well informed people were allowed to vote in order to decide if drugs should be legal or illegal, not only would they be legal, but it would have been a landslide decision. Same story with gay marriage, in my opinion.

^Izzhe, i've helped you. This has been pointed out to you soooo many times. So, i'll just help you out, maybe you'll catch on. Your opinion, is not a fact. Please, in all sincerity, learn the difference of the two.

Before your latest, it was stated that believe it or not, we are informed with the same information, we have come to a different conclusion than you. Disagreeing with your opinion does not make us wrong. It does not make us uninformed.

Here's your homework. Research what is an "opinion". Research what is a "fact". Turn it in tomorrow. Going forward, try to post according to what you've learned. My hopes are muted, so, no pressure.

You are the one who doesn't understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. The fact is that things would be better if drugs were legal. And there is nothing wrong with being gay.

We have the freedom to form any opinion we want about anything, but that doesn't mean it overrides the actual truth.

[Breetai]

Ron Paul seems like the best man for the job. He is far from perfect, but he is less horrible than everyone else.

He at least has shown himself to be honest. He has a few decades of track record backing that up. You would most likely know what you're going to get with him. Not sure about the others, but politicians are prone to flip-flopping and going back on things they've said. He's even a gynecologist. Yeah!

Also, the establishment seems to not like him (mass media, other candidates, etc.) and tend to treat him as a joke when they talk about him. That must mean he's good.

And there is nothing wrong with being gay.

In your opinion. I actually disagree with you here, from a religious standpoint. That is where my worldview comes from. And. I. Am. Right.

However, from a political point of view, there is nothing wrong with gay marriage. In a democratic society, if the populous desires a homosexual union to be government sanctions and have the potential benefits that go with that, then that's fine with me. I'm actually a supporter of gay marriage, even they I disagree with it (if that makes sense!). My gay friends disagree with my on a religious standpoint (And. They. Are. Wrong.), but agree on a political standpoint.

[Hobie-wan]

The fact is that things would be better if drugs were legal.

Performed or looked up studies have you? I don't just mean studies in countries where pot is legal. You said drugs, plural. So feel free to show verified evidence where all drugs are legal and easily obtainable that the population or test group functioned somewhat normally.

Oh right, you're just pulling shit out of your ass again and pretending they are 'facts'.

[Inazuma]

Yeah, I know God says to kill all gays. But he never gave you an actual valid reason why it's bad. If I ask you to give me one reason, you won't be able to. That's because there isn't one. It's not wrong to be gay at all. Opinions cannot change reality.

[mjmjr25]

You are the one who doesn't understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. The fact is that things would be better if drugs were legal. And there is nothing wrong with being gay.

Again, you stated an opinion as a fact (things better if drugs legal). And then - a complete red herring? Nothing wrong w/being gay.

Umm, ok. Did anyone say anything was "wrong" w/being gay in this thread? Did it even come up? Nope. Just doing what you always do - the reason so many people say, "I tried to stay out of this, but..." and then correct you on something or other.

I'd think you were just a troll normally, but I think you really do believe what you say - which makes you a dangerous troll, in my opinion.