Let's fight back against the NDAA

[MrPopo]

Third, I have been persecuted by this government for my entire adult life. As far as I'm concerned reality is already dystopian.

Explain?

Yes, I'd love to hear some details.

[Hatta]

I smoke pot.

[mjmjr25]

But, instead we live in a country where over 70,000 citizens can petition the president with sound, reasonable, fact based propositions, and simply get ignored.

1). 70,000...out of 330,000,000? Really. Yes, that would probably be ignored.

2). You stated 3 times in your post, "We live in a country..." and then listed some things you despise about "this country". Umm, move? Seriously, you can move. It is so much better everywhere else, right. Prove it - move. The government is corrupt, right? Your voice is supposedly being ignored, right? You've been oppressed by the governement your whole life? If you truly believed those (3) statements, then you would leave. If not, then your just a whiner.

[Inazuma]

But, instead we live in a country where over 70,000 citizens can petition the president with sound, reasonable, fact based propositions, and simply get ignored.

1). 70,000...out of 330,000,000? Really. Yes, that would probably be ignored.

2). You stated 3 times in your post, "We live in a country..." and then listed some things you despise about "this country". Umm, move? Seriously, you can move. It is so much better everywhere else, right. Prove it - move. The government is corrupt, right? Your voice is supposedly being ignored, right? You've been oppressed by the governement your whole life? If you truly believed those (3) statements, then you would leave. If not, then your just a whiner.

This qualifies at a strawman argument, right? Hatta states the truth about something and you have to resort to personal attacks, because you can't argue against his point directly since you know he is right.

Even if Hatta moved out of the country, it would still be corrupt. Hatta would rather solve the problem than run from it. What's so bad about being aware of problems and having the desire to fix them? I have a lot of respect for people like that.

[Hobie-wan]

I smoke pot.

Bwahahahahaha. All that vitriol about being persecuted and "I smoke pot" is all you've got? Good thing you're not a minority in a state where racism is unfortunately still alive in some regions or where Confederate flags were still flown over the capitol building until as recently as 2000.

[dsheinem]

I smoke pot.

[noiseredux]

I smoke pot.

Do you:

A) keep your current signature?
B) create a new one?

[dsheinem]

I smoke pot.

Do you:

A) keep your current signature?
B) create a new one?

ha, i forgot that I changed my sig to that quote by you. it stays for now...

[noiseredux]

ha, i forgot that I changed my sig to that quote by you.

maybe you were stoned?

[mjmjr25]

But, instead we live in a country where over 70,000 citizens can petition the president with sound, reasonable, fact based propositions, and simply get ignored.

1). 70,000...out of 330,000,000? Really. Yes, that would probably be ignored.

2). You stated 3 times in your post, "We live in a country..." and then listed some things you despise about "this country". Umm, move? Seriously, you can move. It is so much better everywhere else, right. Prove it - move. The government is corrupt, right? Your voice is supposedly being ignored, right? You've been oppressed by the governement your whole life? If you truly believed those (3) statements, then you would leave. If not, then your just a whiner.

This qualifies at a strawman argument, right? Hatta states the truth about something and you have to resort to personal attacks, because you can't argue against his point directly since you know he is right.

Even if Hatta moved out of the country, it would still be corrupt. Hatta would rather solve the problem than run from it. What's so bad about being aware of problems and having the desire to fix them? I have a lot of respect for people like that.

If I called you ignorantzuma, that would be a personal attack. Telling him to move is friendly advice, not a personal attack. Let me break this down for you, because your struggling.

(A) He claims he is persecuted (because he smokes pot apparently).
(B) He claims the government is corrupt.
(C) He claims the government doesn't listen to his, or other, fact-based proposals.

Thus, If those statements are TRUE - the contraposition to move is friendly advice.

Would you like a Venn diagram - sometimes I think logic is a bit beyond your borders.