We live in the future....

[racketboy]

Great -- now we can take even more talentless "musicians" and make them sound brilliant

Seriously though, this is pretty cool.

Ouch. I can only speak for myself, but I've never cared about the hard work behind the music. All I want is the end result, and I want it to sound good.

When I try to talk music with people, it becomes clear that there's a real problem in this industry: People don't care about the music. They care about the people behind it. And that sickens me. I'll try and talk about the actual sound and the emotions it makes me feel, and my partner will ramble on about names of the musicians, what they look like, what they wear, their beliefs, the hardships they went through to make it big, the crazy shit they do with their instruments, and any other bullshit celebrity gossip they can dig up. I fucking hate it.

I just don't care how much effort was put in a song. There's no way to gauge it. Some people make something beautiful in 1 take, some in 50 cuts. Some people can reproduce it on a stage, (based on footage I've seen online). Some people look like fucking talentless assclowns on stage. Hell, most of the music I listen to was made by a single person on a computer somewhere, and pictures of whom do not exist publicly.

I've never even been to a concert, so maybe I'm missing out on something magical. I just dont care to shell out absurd wads of money to see some strangers perform flawed renditions of perfect quality, finely tuned, studio recordings which I can comfortably listen to at home, without being surrounded by smelly aggressive skinheads. Yeah, aside from the game music, I tend to listen to genres that attract some real freaks.

I guess it depends on what type of music you're talking about. I was referring to your "pop princesses" and such.
I'm guessing you're talking about more electronic-style music.

It just annoys me when the music industry takes people that really have no musical talent (such as certain teen actresses or other people who's faces will sell music) and pushes them into pumping albums out

[Mozgus]

I tend to agree with you about the end product being all that really matters. But as far as live music goes, there are some awesome small venues where smelly aggresicve peolpe generally aren't a problem If you live close to Lawrence check out the Replay Lounge, it's a pinball bar. One of the best places ever and they have small shows now and then, mostly underground and metal stuff. I love a great live show, and sometimes it's better than the recording sound because they react with the crowd so well.

I'm sure I wouldn't like it. Every live album I've listened to, I think "This would be so much better if the audience would shut the fuck up." There's just something in my brain that doesn't like to receive unwieldy, unpredictable sound from numerous sources. I can't stand being in bars for example, because I'm hearing too much shit all around me. Countless muffled conversations, glasses hitting hard surfaces, half a dozen tvs playing different stations. I go insane. I have to leave. I pretty much hate social gatherings. I love to live in either peace and quiet, or in the company of great, organized music.

[Mozgus]

I guess it depends on what type of music you're talking about. I was referring to your "pop princesses" and such.
I'm guessing you're talking about more electronic-style music.

It just annoys me when the music industry takes people that really have no musical talent (such as certain teen actresses or other people who's faces will sell music) and pushes them into pumping albums out

You know me. It's not all electronic. A lot of classical still puts me in heaven. And I'll also go from The Doors, to Rush, to Offspring, to Ultraspank, to Blind Guardian, to Prodigy, to Vast in one sitting. I'm not really a fan of pre-1970's stuff though.

And yes that's true.

[racketboy]

I guess it depends on what type of music you're talking about. I was referring to your "pop princesses" and such.
I'm guessing you're talking about more electronic-style music.

It just annoys me when the music industry takes people that really have no musical talent (such as certain teen actresses or other people who's faces will sell music) and pushes them into pumping albums out

You know me. It's not all electronic. A lot of classical still puts me in heaven. And I'll also go from The Doors, to Rush, to Offspring, to Ultraspank, to Blind Guardian, to Prodigy, to Vast in one sitting. I'm not really a fan of pre-1970's stuff though.

And yes that's true.

Well I think it's safe to say the guys you mentioned have talent.

[Mozgus]

I guess it depends on what type of music you're talking about. I was referring to your "pop princesses" and such.
I'm guessing you're talking about more electronic-style music.

It just annoys me when the music industry takes people that really have no musical talent (such as certain teen actresses or other people who's faces will sell music) and pushes them into pumping albums out

You know me. It's not all electronic. A lot of classical still puts me in heaven. And I'll also go from The Doors, to Rush, to Offspring, to Ultraspank, to Blind Guardian, to Prodigy, to Vast in one sitting. I'm not really a fan of pre-1970's stuff though.

And yes that's true.

Well I think it's safe to say the guys you mentioned have talent.

Probably. But if some news story explodes on the scene about any one of them actually stealing the majority of their material from someone else, who's body just washed ashore some coastline, I won't be butt-hurt about it, because I don't have an attachment to these people, or what they stood for. That's what I'm trying to say.

[Niode]

That thing sounds pretty cool. It's a more polished version of some of the things i've created in real time audio processing. (as in real time separation, pitch shifting and time stretching using Fast Fourier Transform.) I'm sure I could program something quite similar to that myself if I put my mind to it.

I think what you have to look at is that the audio processing in 'DNA' is not done in real-time. (the editing is, but the sound has to be processed first to separate it) It's quite easy to separate sound in the frequency domain as apposed to time domain but it's quite processor intensive. There's been software around for years that can analyse and separate audio.

They're version of it just seems highly polished, however I'm still quite skeptical that there is absolutely no artifacts in the sound whatsoever. I'd like to get the software and play around with it and see where it's limitations are.

Don't get me wrong they sound like they have managed to create an attractive and very easy to use interface for this kind of thing and they're one of the first people to do it in such an easy to use fashion, which is impressive. However the technology has been there for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Fourier_transform

[ott0bot]

That thing sounds pretty cool. It's a more polished version of some of the things i've created in real time audio processing. (as in real time separation, pitch shifting and time stretching using Fast Fourier Transform.) I'm sure I could program something quite similar to that myself if I put my mind to it.

I think what you have to look at is that the audio processing in 'DNA' is not done in real-time. (the editing is, but the sound has to be processed first to separate it) It's quite easy to separate sound in the frequency domain as apposed to time domain but it's quite processor intensive. There's been software around for years that can analyse and separate audio.

They're version of it just seems highly polished, however I'm still quite skeptical that there is absolutely no artifacts in the sound whatsoever. I'd like to get the software and play around with it and see where it's limitations are.

Don't get me wrong they sound like they have managed to create an attractive and very easy to use interface for this kind of thing and they're one of the first people to do it in such an easy to use fashion, which is impressive. However the technology has been there for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Fourier_transform

yeah, i've heard of other software as well, but never seen it used as effectively. I didn't think there was anything out that could do this in real-time, though. I'd like to see that!
Of coarse, this is just a demo, so they aren't going to show you it's shortcomings. I also thought it looked really cool way to make your own midi samples. It's a big jump from the pitch correction software Melodyne was to what you see here.