Puppy Mills - is there a line to cross or is it unethical?

[AdamGomez1987]

I hear ya, which is what confuses me about this place. I don't believe that this mill is at that level, at least when customers including myself go there every week or twice a week to look at the animals. The animals aren't fighting for anything and they get plenty of social skills being with people whenever the children or owners come.

I have a chihuahua that is getting old and I think she may pass within a couple of years heaven forbid it'll be too soon, but when the time comes, I would like to get a Daschund, I think that type of dog and chihuahuas make good friends.

by the way, what do you all think of spay/neutring? they say it saves lives but when my chihuahua got spayed, I think it took years off her life as I noticed her purple belly was around for years before it finally turned pink and it's not quite the bright healthy pink as it originally was.

[brunoafh]

I'll just say if you're okay with puppy mills you're complete and utter trash to me.


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[BoringSupreez]

I'll just say if you're okay with puppy mills you're complete and utter trash to me.

It's nice and simple to just say that all puppy mills are evil, end of story; but that's not how it works out in the real world. There are plenty of good puppy mills. The majority of animal breeders are not the evil negligent type that everyone loves to stereotype and hate.

[FiftyDollarCurse]

There are plenty of good puppy mills.

Nope!

[AdamGomez1987]

I'll just say if you're okay with puppy mills you're complete and utter trash to me.

It's nice and simple to just say that all puppy mills are evil, end of story; but that's not how it works out in the real world. There are plenty of good puppy mills. The majority of animal breeders are not the evil negligent type that everyone loves to stereotype and hate.

And that's how I feel about this particular mill because I seen them give the puppies their shots, walk them and just show care for them which is why I like to go inside every week and walk around because it looks like the dogs whether they're sleeping or having fun don't look like they're in any pain ( I mean mental anguish ).

[BoringSupreez]

There are plenty of good puppy mills.

Nope!

Have you ever seen a puppy mill IRL, not on TV or the internet?

[equalsign]

I hear ya, which is what confuses me about this place. I don't believe that this mill is at that level, at least when customers including myself go there every week or twice a week to look at the animals. The animals aren't fighting for anything and they get plenty of social skills being with people whenever the children or owners come.

I have a chihuahua that is getting old and I think she may pass within a couple of years heaven forbid it'll be too soon, but when the time comes, I would like to get a Daschund, I think that type of dog and chihuahuas make good friends.

by the way, what do you all think of spay/neutring? they say it saves lives but when my chihuahua got spayed, I think it took years off her life as I noticed her purple belly was around for years before it finally turned pink and it's not quite the bright healthy pink as it originally was.

I've got to go do chemistry, so I can't really talk much longer. I'm not sure if you're saying that that the pet store is the mill or something, but that usually isn't the case. The mills are usually quite far away and away from society. Often times pet stores are told by suppliers that their puppies come from reputable breeders and are raised in ethical conditions while they are actually from puppy mills. Credentials can be made up and unless pet store owners look really deep into it they are often lied to.

A cool thing I've seen is when pet stores only house shelter animals. 1/4 dogs in a shelter is purebred anyways.

If you're looking for a specific breed of dog, I'd recommend checking with shelters. If they don't have that breed, wait a little, keep checking back, ask them to call you if they get one in, ect.

I personally dislike spaying and neutering, but after what I've seen I definitely consider it the lesser of two evils. I'm not sure about dogs, but I know spaying often extends the life of many female companion animals. Some (like rabbits) are extremely prone to uterine cancer.

For the record I have a rabbit and she is spayed. Plan on adopting her a neutered male companion soon.

[FiftyDollarCurse]

Have you ever seen a puppy mill IRL, not on TV or the internet?

No, because I don't associate with the kind of scumbags that run them. Have you? The very idea of a business that breeds dogs for profit disgusts me. I would honestly like to see evidence of a "good" puppy mill. No, seriously, not just being argumentative. Please take me to a good puppy mill. Maybe we can visit a good concentration camp while we're out? [/end Godwin's Law violation]

EDIT: I do not think that every animal breeder tortures their products. But the fact that they create them in the first place while millions of animals are euthanized every day because stupid and flakey people only view dogs as discardable items rather than respectable living creatures who have a right to life makes me sick to my stomach.

[AdamGomez1987]

I've got to go do chemistry, so I can't really talk much longer. I'm not sure if you're saying that that the pet store is the mill or something, but that usually isn't the case. The mills are usually quite far away and away from society. Often times pet stores are told by suppliers that their puppies come from reputable breeders and are raised in ethical conditions while they are actually from puppy mills. Credentials can be made up and unless pet store owners look really deep into it they are often lied to.

A cool thing I've seen is when pet stores only house shelter animals. 1/4 dogs in a shelter is purebred anyways.

If you're looking for a specific breed of dog, I'd recommend checking with shelters. If they don't have that breed, wait a little, keep checking back, ask them to call you if they get one in, ect.

I personally dislike spaying and neutering, but after what I've seen I definitely consider it the lesser of two evils. I'm not sure about dogs, but I know spaying often extends the life of many female companion animals. Some (like rabbits) are extremely prone to uterine cancer.

For the record I have a rabbit and she is spayed. Plan on adopting her a neutered male companion soon.

You know what, you may have just shown me from the error of my ways just now. I was seeing a smaller view now my eyes opened up. Now this leads me to a complete different array of ideas. I don't believe that the pet shop is bad at all because whatever puppies they bring in they are treat ethically.

The thing is that they want that shop closed down due to the fact that they are associating with Puppy Mills. Sorry if I'm being dense now because I'm starting to broaden my scope.

[BoringSupreez]

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