early and later games

[o.pwuaioc]

I don't really see it on the N64.

Yeah, I'm not sure I see "progress" with the N64. I do think that some games pulled it off better than others. Some games like Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Diddy Kong Racing, Ogre Battle 64 (which, admittedly, didn't use 3D sprites, but is still in my opinion the best looking and best game on the system), and Wave Race 64 I think look great and can hold their own, while others like GoldenEye or Castlevania 64 didn't age as well. While this is a gut reaction to the games' graphics, I think on retrospection it's based off of environment and human characters. I think the cartoony characters like Mario look much better than James Bond or Soviet guards.

[isiolia]

I think part of that might be the general growing pains that 3D graphics had at that point. There's a lot more to consider when it comes to 3D gaming - more complicated controls, camera, and so on. NES games might be easier to still pick up and play because the gameplay itself is typically simpler. A poorly balanced platformer is hardcore. A poorly balanced 3D platformer tends to be a barely playable mess.


The N64 did have some fairly noticeable advancement. Compare, say, Mario 64 with Conker's Bad Fur Day and you not only have Rare managing to cram a ton of speech into the game, but dynamic lighting and shadows, much nicer textures, all that. Now, granted, there's also the Expansion Pak to consider (and also that Conker is probably the pinnacle of technical achievement on the N64, certainly not the average later game).

[o.pwuaioc]

By the way, another late game (comparatively speaking) for the NES was Abadox. I think I've mentioned this game a bunch of times already, but it's relevant here, as I think it's one of the better looking games on the NES.




Of course, some levels look better than others, and the sprite is monochrome, but nonetheless, I think it's a great looking game.

[DinnerX]

Now, granted, there's also the Expansion Pak to consider (and also that Conker is probably the pinnacle of technical achievement on the N64, certainly not the average later game).

I don't think Conker even used the expansion pak. It is remarkable what rare pulled off.

Lots of the later Rare games were amazing graphically such as DK64, PD, and Banjo-Tooie. Banjo-Tooie might not be one people think of for amazing graphics, but I think it's impressive how you can stand on the highest point of a level and see for miles with no fog. There is of course the framerate slowness but still.

[isiolia]

Wow, you're right, I just assumed it used it. Even more impressive.

The "programming difficulties" section about the N64 on Wikipedia is pretty interesting with regards to what they did to get the performance out of the hardware.

[MidnightRider]

You need to watch more silent films then. I highly suggest anything by Buster Keaton, Fatty Arbuckle, or Chaplin. Most of their films are superior to the dreck they claim is comedy now.

No one ever remembers Harold Lloyd anymore.

Well, for starters, the NES is nothing close to the "silent films" of the day. That would be stuff like the intellivision, colecovision, or atari.

If that generation were comparable to the progress of films they'd be more like the transition from silent to talkies. Pong machines, the Oddysey, and every other pre-cartridge home console that made up gamings 1st generation would be more akin to silent movies.

[o.pwuaioc]

No one ever remembers Harold Lloyd anymore.

I thought most people rediscovered him after the Futurama episode with Zoidberg's uncle "Harold Zoid"?

[RCBH928]

@Isiolla

thnx that was what i am trying to say

@dunpeal2064

my earliest gaming memory was an atari(actually of the longest time we used to call videogames "atari" in this region), and i remember the day i got my NES(famicom)

i also think i played the famicom the most, then my current 360(maybe 360 more now) then psx.
am quite familiar with it.

u might have understood me wrong i was trying to say N64 was a better example for an "earlier and later" games example

as the N64 graphics looking better NES
I know N64 3D graphics sux

but i think its hard to say this graphics:

is better than this graphics:


i know this is a retro forum,
i know people has an appeal for older looking games, and so do i

but show any 1 today NES be it kirby, Mario Bros, or Donky Kong...and he cant tell if one graphics is better...its all ancient and on same level...N64 is a jump a huge one.

[fastbilly1]

kingmohd, this is very much an apples and oranges argument that you are trying to make. You cannot justifiably compare games that far removed. Heck even one generation is borderline.

Comparing an NES game to an N64 games is just asinine in most all regards.

[noiseredux]

kingmohd, this is very much an apples and oranges argument that you are trying to make. You cannot justifiably compare games that far removed. Heck even one generation is borderline.

Comparing an NES game to an N64 games is just asinine in most all regards.

no I get what he's saying... PS3 games look better than 2600 games. Case closed.