kingmohd84 wrote:i kind of feel like NES is to videogames like silent movies to films
So created to appeal to everyone and only cost a few cents?
kingmohd84 wrote:maybe they had good ideas, but all they could put out is a no audio movie, no color, and fast moving people.
You need to watch more silent films then. I highly suggest anything by Buster Keaton, Fatty Arbuckle, or Chaplin. Most of their films are superior to the dreck they claim is comedy now. Silent movies are a lost art. Giving a story without speech very difficult to do correctly. And yes, for every "The Cameraman" you have a dozen crappy films, but the same is true today. For every "Kings Speech" there is a dozen "Alien vs Predators" (though I really enjoyed AvP because it was stupid fun).
fastbilly1 wrote:
You need to watch more silent films then. I highly suggest anything by Buster Keaton, Fatty Arbuckle, or Chaplin. Most of their films are superior to the dreck they claim is comedy now. Silent movies are a lost art. Giving a story without speech very difficult to do correctly.
This instantly made me think of Super Smash Bros Brawl .
Current Consoles: SNES, GBC, Game Cube, Nintendo DSL, Wii, N64, PS2
Past Consoles: PS1, X-BOX, GBA
FAV Franchises/Games: Sonic The Hedgehog, Lock's Quest, Legend of Zelda, Megaman Battle Network, Mysims, Plok(SNES), Kirby, Ristar, Sly Cooper, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Smash Bros, Okami, Tekken, Super Mario, Wario Land, Golden Sun, Streets of Rage and Elite Beat Agents.
Bah, silent movies are great. Besides the already mentioned Nosferatu and the comedies of Chaplin and Keaton, try out:
Movie (Director)
Der letzte Mann aka The Last Laugh (F. W. Murnau)
Sunrise (F. W. Murnau)
Das Kabinet des Dr Caligari aka The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (Robert Wiener)
Metropolis (Fritz Lang)
Броненосец «Потёмкин» aka Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein)
Октябрь aka October (Sergei Eisenstein)
Broken Blossoms (D. W. Griffith)
Well, for starters, the NES is nothing close to the "silent films" of the day. That would be stuff like the intellivision, colecovision, or atari.
The NES would be more like Star Wars. Still early, and some stuff looked cheesy, but it changed the way video games were made forever.
Its also very hard for me to put myself in the shoes of someone who looks at SMB and Kirby's Adventure and sees the same bad graphics. I understand that you may have grown up with the N64 as your first console, so 3D graphics were all you knew, but the growth of 2D graphics was just a whole different experience.
It also didn't help that these were all being compared to N64 graphics. I would honestly say that out of the successful consoles, the N64 has the worst graphics of any. Its hard to give it much credit after playing so many ps1/sat games that blow the system away in both 2D and 3D graphics (not the saturn so much for 3D, but it still outdid the N64 IMO)
alexjames01 wrote:I always thought Kirby's Adventure was a good example of this on the NES:
I mean, look at this! Look at those goombas and that blue backdrop. Look at mario. Now look at the monster designs and background of kirby, and the character animation, moves he is doing, and colors.
I just can't see how someone doesn't see this as a huge change on a console. Both of the games are great, but Kirby honestly plays like it could have been a next-gen game
dunpeal2064 wrote:
I mean, look at this! Look at those goombas and that blue backdrop. Look at mario. Now look at the monster designs and background of kirby, and the character animation, moves he is doing, and colors.
I think his point is more that NES games tend to look dated regardless. You can still appreciate what they did with the resources available, still enjoy the gameplay, all that - but the system simply had its limits for graphics and sound.
The SNES, on the other hand, hits a bit more of a peak. There were improvements since then, but even today a well-done SNES game stands up well. Plenty of portable games and the like still don't go much beyond what better SNES games did. The capabilities weren't great, but they were enough to generate fairly good pixel art, solid sound effects, MIDI music, and so on.
Probably also in part due to the shift in focus to 3D graphics in the next generation, which by and large resulted in clunkiness that stands out today. Even if you have things that can't push more advanced models, you tend to have texture filtering and such that only the N64 had (yet was crippled by almost no texture cache).
dunpeal2064 wrote:
I mean, look at this! Look at those goombas and that blue backdrop. Look at mario. Now look at the monster designs and background of kirby, and the character animation, moves he is doing, and colors.
I think his point is more that NES games tend to look dated regardless. You can still appreciate what they did with the resources available, still enjoy the gameplay, all that - but the system simply had its limits for graphics and sound.
The SNES, on the other hand, hits a bit more of a peak. There were improvements since then, but even today a well-done SNES game stands up well. Plenty of portable games and the like still don't go much beyond what better SNES games did. The capabilities weren't great, but they were enough to generate fairly good pixel art, solid sound effects, MIDI music, and so on.
Probably also in part due to the shift in focus to 3D graphics in the next generation, which by and large resulted in clunkiness that stands out today. Even if you have things that can't push more advanced models, you tend to have texture filtering and such that only the N64 had (yet was crippled by almost no texture cache).
I can agree that the SNES was a step up in every way. Such an insane console. But I don't think Kirby's Adventure looks dated in comparison to SMB. Of course it looks dated on its own, but this is a retro forum. We play turbografx and shit!
What got me was saying that the N64 had better graphics. There, I must disagree. They were further along in the advancement of graphics, but there are a large number of N64 titles that look god awful today. I can still play quite a large number of NES games and not have my eyes bleed (granted, there are still quite a few NES games that look terrible)
Idk, I just don't see the advancement that was being discusses in the first place, being all that great on the N64. The early games and later games all looked fairly similar. I think the NES comparison is still more accurate.
I mean, look at FF7, and then look at FF8/FF9 or Valkyrie Profile. Look at early to late saturn games. I think there was a lot of progress made there. I don't really see it on the N64.
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