PS1: Black Label vs. Greatest Hits

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Opa Opa wrote:
irixith wrote:- Silent Hill 2 GH has additional bonus content previously exclusive to other regions, along with improved graphics.
Correction: The content wasn't exclusive to other regions but exclusive to other platforms. :wink:
Right. :)

When you're trying to get that much information out of your head that fast.. :lol:
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irixith wrote: Right. :)

When you're trying to get that much information out of your head that fast.. :lol:
lol. very true. :)
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irixith wrote: - Twisted Metal Black GH adds an extra disc for online not present in the original version.
Mine has no such second disc and I bought it new.
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Hobie-wan wrote:
irixith wrote: - Twisted Metal Black GH adds an extra disc for online not present in the original version.
Mine has no such second disc and I bought it new.
You have the later GH edition then. The FIRST GH edition includes the online disc.

http://ps2.ign.com/objects/142/14234949.html

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irixith wrote: You have the later GH edition then. The FIRST GH edition includes the online disc.

http://ps2.ign.com/objects/142/14234949.html

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Ah. No biggie, I'm fine with copy I have.

No IGN for me as I blocked some crappy crap they had and cookies so I can't view their stuff. :P
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irixith wrote:
Hobie-wan wrote:
irixith wrote: - Twisted Metal Black GH adds an extra disc for online not present in the original version.
Mine has no such second disc and I bought it new.
You have the later GH edition then. The FIRST GH edition includes the online disc.

http://ps2.ign.com/objects/142/14234949.html

:)

Happy collecting!
Good information! I added this to the PS2 Special Editions Games List Guide

Twisted Metal Black Greatest Hits Initial Release (2 game discs)

@irixith, can you take a look at the guide? Any addition you, hobie or anyone else can think of please add to it and I'll keep the OP updated.

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irixith wrote:
dsheinem wrote:
Flake wrote:There are only a few instances where the code used for the GH version differs from the original release, and usually it's only to correct bugs or glitches.
Really? What GH games for the PS1 did this? What bugs or glitches were fixed?
- Devil May Cry 3 GH became a special edition with improved difficulty/level balancing with additional content.

- Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex GH has the loading times improved over the original.

- DragonBall Z Budokai 3 GH has an unlockable bonus to hear the original Japanese voiceovers.

- Gran Turismo 2 GH has a bug fixed that allows you to achieve 100%.

- Marvel Ultimate Alliance GH contains an extra disc with special bonus features.

- Silent Hill 2 GH has additional bonus content previously exclusive to other regions, along with improved graphics.

- Twisted Metal Black GH adds an extra disc for online not present in the original version.

- Virtua Fighter 4 GH is 'Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution' and has improved graphics and more content.

I know I'm mixing PS1 and PS2 games, but you get the idea. Many games had their artwork changed for the GH release -- for example, check out Gran Turismo 4 black label vs Gran Turismo 4 GH. The GH version has a complete manual (unlike the original), in addition to a back cover with different text and images.
The only PS1 game you mentioned was Gran Turismo 2. And your claim isn't entirely accurate. According to giantbomb:

When Gran Turismo 2 originally shipped, it was discovered that players could not obtain a 100% completion ranking. Polyphony Digital and Sony soon discovered this and re-released the game with minor changes to allow for 100% completion. They also started a program where players could send in their "Simulation" discs and be provided with an updated copy. Soon after the program began, however, they stopped requiring the original discs be returned, and began sending out discs to anyone who completed the brief process for obtaining a replacement.

Although it was never officially revealed why players could not obtain 100% completion, it was widely suspected that a last minute decision to remove drag racing from the game caused this. Drag racing had been discussed several times during the development as a new feature. Additionally, there was a single car with 1001 horsepower that could be earned as an event reward. It was tuned to have incredibly fast acceleration and straight line performance, leading many gamers to be believe it was, in fact, a drag car.
From that description, there are certainly black label versions of the game that allow for 100%, meaning that they didn't change anything between the last run of the black label game and the greatest hits version. Still, an interesting bit of trivia. I wonder how many other games may have had multiple "black label" runs with adjusted code.

So I'll ask again - are there any Greatest Hits games for the PS1 that offer something not found in a black label version?
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I'm not sure about this, but I think the third spyro ps1 game might have had a few changes in the greatest hits version. There was a bug that made the game impossible to complete if you had done something out of order or something like that...

I'm pretty sure my cousins had to send their disc in to get a replacement, but I can't find anything about it online now :(
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dsheinem wrote:From that description, there are certainly black label versions of the game that allow for 100%, meaning that they didn't change anything between the last run of the black label game and the greatest hits version. Still, an interesting bit of trivia. I wonder how many other games may have had multiple "black label" runs with adjusted code.
While I think that's awfully nit-picky (after all, it is a GH PS1 game that differs from its black label counterpart), you could say that the GH version is your only way to guarantee that you are getting the 100% bugfixed version. That, or you could probably hypothesize that the first black label version would be a bit of a rarity depending on how soon into the run they fixed the error, and if there was any way to tell outwardly that there was a difference between black label versions.
dsheinem wrote:So I'll ask again - are there any Greatest Hits games for the PS1 that offer something not found in a black label version?
Since my brain went with so many PS2 choices, here's another PS1 GH game that differs from the black label -- Mortal Kombat Trilogy. The GH fixes nearly all the bugs, the infinites, and plays more like Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 than the black label version. It's been documented that there are actually three revisions of this game out there, with the game being modified each time, ending in the 'ultimate' GH version.
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