So apparently "Retro Games" suck..........

[o.pwuaioc]

I love that I can fire up my SNES and play for 10 to 15 minutes and have fun since my gaming time is limited these days. After 10 mins with a new console, I've barely made it past the first loading screen.

I blame the 64 and PS1 for that. Both introduced long videos before the game actually started. Not bad, but what happened to manuals or skippable scenes? I can't start a new game of Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time without being bored for 5 minutes just watching a story. I love how I can turn on Mario for my Game Boy or Sonic for my Genesis and just start playing.

[Breetai]

I love that I can fire up my SNES and play for 10 to 15 minutes and have fun since my gaming time is limited these days. After 10 mins with a new console, I've barely made it past the first loading screen.

I blame the 64 and PS1 for that. Both introduced long videos before the game actually started. Not bad, but what happened to manuals or skippable scenes? I can't start a new game of Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time without being bored for 5 minutes just watching a story. I love how I can turn on Mario for my Game Boy or Sonic for my Genesis and just start playing.

The N64 isn't bad for that at all. Zelda: LTTP on SNES also takes a while to start at the beginning...

[Retrozoa]

Just watched the video, stopped after he was fumbling to list shitty games and he brought up Zelda 2. I mean, seriously?

[o.pwuaioc]

The N64 isn't bad for that at all. Zelda: LTTP on SNES also takes a while to start at the beginning...

They're not nearly as bad, but they can get there. And I just started up LttP to see if I had been misremembering: nope, the forced introduction is about 20 seconds of Zelda talking and 5 seconds for your uncle to walk out.

Although I guess I see the trend. After I posted that I realized that it was Miyamoto who really promoted that, him and Square (FFIV had a really long introduction that I hated being forced to sit through).

Not that I'm complaining about the overall quality of the games - I love LttP, FFIV, and Mario 64. I just wish they had built in a skip function for the introductory sequences.

[jfrost]

Although I guess I see the trend. After I posted that I realized that it was Miyamoto who really promoted that, him and Square (FFIV had a really long introduction that I hated being forced to sit through).

Square is funny. In FF9, to get Excalibur 2 you have to reach Memoria in less than 9 hours. To do so, you have to skip all the FMV sequences, but there isn't a way to legitimately skip them. You have to open the lid of the PS1. That was so ridiculous.

[Breetai]

The N64 isn't bad for that at all. Zelda: LTTP on SNES also takes a while to start at the beginning...

They're not nearly as bad, but they can get there. And I just started up LttP to see if I had been misremembering: nope, the forced introduction is about 20 seconds of Zelda talking and 5 seconds for your uncle to walk out.

Although I guess I see the trend. After I posted that I realized that it was Miyamoto who really promoted that, him and Square (FFIV had a really long introduction that I hated being forced to sit through).

Not that I'm complaining about the overall quality of the games - I love LttP, FFIV, and Mario 64. I just wish they had built in a skip function for the introductory sequences.

Final Fantasy III's (err.. VI) opening was painfully long as well.

My point was that I don't think it was so prevalent on the N64, probably due to the cartridge format. There are exceptions of course, like the Zelda games. I don't think Mario 64's intro was too long.

The PS1 was definitely a culprit for this, although it would be more accurate to blame the CD medium.

[o.pwuaioc]

Final Fantasy III's (err.. VI) opening was painfully long as well.

My point was that I don't think it was so prevalent on the N64, probably due to the cartridge format. There are exceptions of course, like the Zelda games. I don't think Mario 64's intro was too long.

The PS1 was definitely a culprit for this, although it would be more accurate to blame the CD medium.

Point taken. I guess I was really thinking of Ocarina of Time (recently started), since I haven't started a new game of Mario 64 in a while.

[MidnightRider]

The PS1 was definitely a culprit for this, although it would be more accurate to blame the CD medium.

Definitely blame discs. Play some Sega CD/Turbo(A.K.A. PC Engine) CD titles.

There was one that had my interest for PC Engine CD that was, I think, supposed to be similar to classic Castlevania, but I couldn't even get into the game. It started with a scene at a bar where they just kept on talking(voice acting, and the game itself was a Japanese only release).....

[nathey]

Try waiting 20 mins for a game to load on a c64 (Test Drive anyone? ). Then come back and say the cd formats are slow...

[pakopako]

Final Fantasy III's (err.. VI) opening was painfully long as well.
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The PS1 was definitely a culprit for this, although it would be more accurate to blame the CD medium.

But you could skip that intro (which was a credits roll) and play through the rest of it (through Narshe).

Long would be Final Fantasy IIus -- that airship sequence was long and uninterruptible. (I shudder to think what the PSx load-times were between CGI and game.)