Gran Turismo 5.....was it worth the wait?

[corn619]

lol, and that's why I think they've should've scrapped the other kinds of racing. If you can't get the physics right on asphalt why add dirt, gravel etc, into the mix.
Now can we just agree that GT5 is a great game for driving, but not racing, and Forza is a little better for racing, but not tuning.

Not true at all.. Forza is more of an arcade game... GT is more realistic.. Are you even a racer? Do you have idea what it's like to control a car on the tarmac? I think you saying that 170 Mph in this game felt like 40 mph speaks to how much you actually know about racing or racing games for that matter..

I've raced my real car on the track a many times, and GT5 and FM3 portray about 10% of that realism. The handling on my car in the games is totally different than in real life on the track. So arguing over which one is more realistic is stupid, their both fake as hell.

As far as crashes go, I don't know what my car sounds like in a real life crash thank god but, I bet you it would make more than a dull, muted thud with barely any damage after crashing it at 100mph. And while the crash effects in Forza 3 are very far from realistic, but its done much better overall.

I think Forza 3 is more fun in the end just because it has more of a arcade racer approach. GT5 is extremely time consuming and feels like a career. All I wanted to do is hit the track with my customized machine and race the shit out of it.

[EvilRyu2099]

Ugh, would you actually present some sort of argument, just being contrary doesn't count. I'm sure GT is more accurate to real life in a number of ways, but collusion physics isn't one of them. That's why I said that it's a better game for driving, because when there's other cars on the track it's quite likely that you're going to get ran into one way or another.

Neither game is accurate in that aspect, but GT5 is more realistic once it's fully unlocked... Not 100% accurate to racing but more detailed than Forza..

Oops I didn't see your edit. You aren't just not presenting a good argument that can add to discussion, you're insulting me, nice. I don't race cars, but I've been in plenty of vehicles going 100+mph, the sensation of speed in reality and in GT is very different imo. It probably has to do with the environments and camera.

You say the collision physics aren't accurate, then you say because of that it's not a good racing game.. I find it very shallow that just because one aspect of the game isn't on par with what you want, you dismiss the game as a good racer..

[EvilRyu2099]

I've raced my real car on the track a many times, and GT5 and FM3 portray about 10% of that realism. The handling on my car in the games is totally different than in real life on the track. So arguing over which one is more realistic is stupid, their both fake as hell.

I agree, I just think it's also stupid to state that a game is bad because it isn't accurate in one aspect...

As far as crashes go, I don't know what my car sounds like in a real life crash thank god but, I bet you it would make more than a dull, muted thud with barely any damage after crashing it at 100mph. And while the crash effects in Forza 3 are very far from realistic, but its done much better overall.

I just don't agree.. Going 250 mph on a head on collision between two cars should produce a more violent crash.. GT5 isn't much better either, but slightly more detailed, it's just that you have to hit level 40 before you see it... I can see why people would complain about having to basically go through most of A-Spec just to see the full collision effects..

I think Forza 3 is more fun in the end just because it has more of a arcade racer approach. GT5 is extremely time consuming and feels like a career. All I wanted to do is hit the track with my customized machine and race the shit out of it.

Well If that's what you are looking for in a racer, then I agree.. No argument from me there.. I'm a huge NFS fan myself.. Have the original Hot Pursuit and High Stakes on PS1..

[Arbitern1]

NOOO LAWL PS3 SUXXOR FORZA 2 BETTER DAN GT5!!! LAWL N00BS WAITED A MILLION YEARS FOR A GAME THAT SUZZORS!!!!!! 360 IS BETTER TO THE EXTREME!!!!

No really thought. GT5 is just a good game, not as good as it should have been thought.

[corn619]

I've raced my real car on the track a many times, and GT5 and FM3 portray about 10% of that realism. The handling on my car in the games is totally different than in real life on the track. So arguing over which one is more realistic is stupid, their both fake as hell.

I agree, I just think it's also stupid to state that a game is bad because it isn't accurate in one aspect...

As far as crashes go, I don't know what my car sounds like in a real life crash thank god but, I bet you it would make more than a dull, muted thud with barely any damage after crashing it at 100mph. And while the crash effects in Forza 3 are very far from realistic, but its done much better overall.

I just don't agree.. Going 250 mph on a head on collision between two cars should produce a more violent crash.. GT5 isn't much better either, but slightly more detailed, it's just that you have to hit level 40 before you see it... I can see why people would complain about having to basically go through most of A-Spec just to see the full collision effects..

I think Forza 3 is more fun in the end just because it has more of a arcade racer approach. GT5 is extremely time consuming and feels like a career. All I wanted to do is hit the track with my customized machine and race the shit out of it.

Well If that's what you are looking for in a racer, then I agree.. No argument from me there.. I'm a huge NFS fan myself.. Have the original Hot Pursuit and High Stakes on PS1..

I never thought or said it was a bad racer. You said it though, keeping the one of the coolest aspects of the game locked up until the game is almost complete for no good reason was a BIG boner move. I think that among other flaws left a lot of people with very bad first impressions of the game including myself. I know when I fire up a $60.00 game that I've been waiting 6 years for, I want to say WOW within 60 minutes of playing. Needless to say, that didn't happen.

Also, I think lots of people felt that you can't keep a game in development for 6 years, hype it up to no end, release all these beautifully stunning stills, videos teasers and then release a less than perfect game. Like I said it wasn't bad, I was just expecting something else entirely. I may buy it again if they fix all the issues and once a GOTY edition comes out. Call me picky, but games are fucking expensive and I want a complete, glitch free game for my hard earned $60.00. I'm glad theres a bunch of people here enjoying it though. BTW, I love Need For Speed too. The new Hot Pursuit is a load of fun.

[Niode]

That's just one car. Certain cars aren't licensed for damage. The Veyron only has cosmetic damage. That's not the developers fault.

Are you kidding me? This proves that the damage in Forza is a joke, and a majority of the cars damage like this.. Stop backtracking this...

Let's face it, how often do you drive the wrong way round an oval circuit in the actual game? The problem I linked to with GT5 affects all cars and is the developers fault. That just should not be possible. At all. Yet it can occur, in normal racing.

Besides Dirt 2 beats them both hands down as far as damage model is concerned.

Ok for one that happens 1/100 times so it's not likely at all as far as GT5 is concerned.. Do you play the game regularly or even own it? If you don't then you have no clue what you're talking about.. Secondly you are defending the absurdity of the crash in Forza 3, but the fact of the matter is he took a maybe unlikely but an extreme example of a full speed head on collision and showed how fake the damage really was.. Stop trying to defend the obvious there.. The Bugatti Veyron in GT5 has better damage effects than the one in Forza 3 and it's a standard car!!!

What, so you can talk absolute nonsense about Forza 3 and i'm supposed to just accept it as fact? Do you even own Forza 3 or play it regularly? Like I said, the Veyron isn't licensed for full damage. There are a number of cars in the game that is licensed to depict cosmetic damage only. The physics still apply, when you crash at that speed the game physically stops you from moving the car, it's almost impossible to change gear and get any speed at all. It simply just rolls along. So there is damage model there, it just isn't visible. Pretty much any other car in the game has full physics model and can be scaled at any point in the game, you can have realistic damage from your first race if you so wish. Seriously just play the game and bash the shit out of the cars, there is damage there, parts fall off and handling/performance is affected accordingly. Seriously, stop talking out of your ass and put your toys back in the pram.

[EvilRyu2099]

What, so you can talk absolute nonsense about Forza 3 and i'm supposed to just accept it as fact? Do you even own Forza 3 or play it regularly? Like I said, the Veyron isn't licensed for full damage. There are a number of cars in the game that is licensed to depict cosmetic damage only. The physics still apply, when you crash at that speed the game physically stops you from moving the car, it's almost impossible to change gear and get any speed at all.

So does GT5 even with the Veyron

It simply just rolls along. So there is damage model there, it just isn't visible. Pretty much any other car in the game has full physics model and can be scaled at any point in the game, you can have realistic damage from your first race if you so wish. Seriously just play the game and bash the shit out of the cars, there is damage there, parts fall off and handling/performance is affected accordingly. Seriously, stop talking out of your ass and put your toys back in the pram.

Same with GT5, how about playing the game first.. It is implemented as you progress through the game.. What about that do you not understand? I've played Forza a lot and the damage isn't realistic at all.. You get mechanical damage just like you do in GT5, only GT5 penalizes you ever more.. Look at you getting worked up over an Xbox game..

[EvilRyu2099]

I never thought or said it was a bad racer. You said it though, keeping the one of the coolest aspects of the game locked up until the game is almost complete for no good reason was a BIG boner move. I think that among other flaws left a lot of people with very bad first impressions of the game including myself. I know when I fire up a $60.00 game that I've been waiting 6 years for, I want to say WOW within 60 minutes of playing. Needless to say, that didn't happen.

Also, I think lots of people felt that you can't keep a game in development for 6 years, hype it up to no end, release all these beautifully stunning stills, videos teasers and then release a less than perfect game. Like I said it wasn't bad, I was just expecting something else entirely. I may buy it again if they fix all the issues and once a GOTY edition comes out. Call me picky, but games are fucking expensive and I want a complete, glitch free game for my hard earned $60.00. I'm glad theres a bunch of people here enjoying it though. BTW, I love Need For Speed too. The new Hot Pursuit is a load of fun.

I can fully understand that.... People expected perfection with this game game and didn't get it.. They are patching the game as we speak and trying to improve it.. I think the mistake they made was delaying it so long so they could put in over 1000 cars.. They should have just made a game similar to GT3 when the console was launched and had around 400 cars that were all premium, this would then lay the foundation for a GT 6 with around 1100 cars possibly with all cockpit views.. In other words they should have used their strategy from the PS2 and not put all their eggs in one basket...

Also I played the new Hot Pursuit demo and it's quite fun.. I may have to purchase the game sometime..

[GSZX1337]

Look at you getting worked up over an Xbox game..

Look at you getting worked up over a PlayStation game.

[EvilRyu2099]

Look at you getting worked up over an Xbox game..

Look at you getting worked up over a PlayStation game.

I didn't tell anyone to put their toys back up..