They haven't respected Michael Jackson at all after he died.

[Ack]

Tupac, anybody?

You honestly think that court settlements equate to guilt and that a temporary lapse of judgment is the same thing as bad parenting? This is a topic about the way a man's artistic work is being treated after his death. Stating that he "fucked little boys" is hardly relevant or productive. You're a helpful member of this community, but sometimes I'm genuinely surprised that you're a moderator.

I was opinionated before I was a moderator, and being one hasn't changed that. Zero's post was citing MJ's integrity and credibility, two things which I feel don't extend beyond his music making ability. I don't think "disrespect" is a term that should apply to him, and so I stated my opinion.

I get sick of all the MJ worship from the press and everyone else. Yes, Thriller is a good album, but the man was a pederast. Even if it is because of his own upbringing/abuse/etc. - he was still scum.

And if we just want to keep the discussion to music, MJ had a pretty shitty output from the mid 90s on. If this is full of unreleased recent stuff, it most likely won't be any good either.

Ds, dare I ask this...what is your opinion of Roman Polanski?

Also, thanks for the compliment jp1. I do my best to be fair and polite(as do the other mods, believe it or not), though I admit I've had my share of spats, and more than once I've not phrased things well and come across the wrong way to folks. I just want everybody to have a positive experience here, learn new things, contribute to the knowledge base, and find new games to love. And I know the other mods do too. We all have our bad days and our fervent opinions(I've had arguments with folks on here before...heck, one of the first conversations I had with Ds was on politics. I apologized to him later for how I acted), so please don't forget we're only human.

Anyway, it's a fun job, but not always an easy one, but I love doing it and so do the other mods. Also, Ds does a hell of a job.

[Pulsar_t]

Please don't drag Polanski into this thread. Personally I can't wait for the Ghost Writer DVD

[Krooner]

Ds, dare I ask this...what is your opinion of Roman Polanski?

Although you're not asking me, Roman Polanski drugged and anally raped a 13 year old girl. he should be in prison.

[Ack]

Please don't drag Polanski into this thread. Personally I can't wait for the Ghost Writer DVD

Sorry Pulsar, I just couldn't help myself.

[Pulsar_t]

is okay.. Well the girl in question forgave the (in)famous director, and if my info is correct was more traumatised by the media's attention than the actual assault, now it's just matter of the people versus him.

[crux]

Doesn't it depend on the situation? You are dealing with a major celebrity who is now under the spotlight for pedophilia. You are offered a very, very large cash settlement to drop the case. This celebrity is not out doing the stalking, but reportedly taking advantage of victims who are offering themselves to him. If it did go to court, you would be fighting very powerful celebrity lawyers. I definitely would have taken the money in this case.

In the case of an aggressive pedophile walking the streets, I definitely agree with you.

FYI, I am not sure how saying that "as the [parent] of [x number of] children" gives this argument any credence. It is an appeal to emotion. If I told you how many children I have, or if I have any, would it change the meat of the argument, or just the emotion behind it?

I've alluded from other posts that you aren't a father, but if you are feel free to correct me. Regardless, perspective is absolutely related to experience. As just an example, the view a person has of children before and after having their own is often sharply contrasted. As an anecdotal example, my own opinion of pedophilia has changed dramatically since having children. I could make the same argument about child molestors without having children, but in this case, having children, I'm able to try to imagine my own children in the horrific position of being molested by someone with the financial means to give a large compensation. It's absolutely relevant to what I think of the matter.

As for pedophiles, the situation hardly matters. The fact is, statistics show that criminal pedophiles are highly likely to repeat their crimes. High profile cases means high profile lawyers on both sides. The best lawyers in the country will gladly work pro bono for such a media intensive trial. That isn't to say that the case couldn't be one-sided, but if I was the father of a molested child, you'd better damn well believe I'd do whatever I could to ensure that the person responsible is not only reprimanded, but most importantly is put on a list of sex offenders so that they're limited from getting close to children ever again.

On a different subject, as for moderators, I don't think Mozgus is a great example. He said himself that he regretted taking the position. I imagine he got offered the position because of commitment more so than suitability, but feel free to correct me. Moderators are people, of course, but I do believe that they should walk the walk and I feel like DS too often forgets that. It's not a person judgment, because I think DS is one of the most contributory members of the community.

I sure am good at taking other folks' off-topic comments and running with them.

As for his music, every musician is molested (hardy, hardy, hardy... sorry) after their death. Is it right or wrong? That's up to the fans. Clearly the musician doesn't have any more say in the matter. My personal opinion is that far too much mediocre music gets released, so I don't like the idea of releasing music that the musicians themselves didn't think was worthy. I'm free to ignore it though - it hardly changes the history of the musician.

[Erik_Twice]

is okay.. Well the girl in question forgave the (in)famous director,

Well, yes and no. If you have been raped often you don't want to recall your suffering over and over again. It's not unheard of at all of people who don't want or outright refuse to go to court when they are raped.

[jp1]

Tupac, anybody?

You honestly think that court settlements equate to guilt and that a temporary lapse of judgment is the same thing as bad parenting? This is a topic about the way a man's artistic work is being treated after his death. Stating that he "fucked little boys" is hardly relevant or productive. You're a helpful member of this community, but sometimes I'm genuinely surprised that you're a moderator.

I was opinionated before I was a moderator, and being one hasn't changed that. Zero's post was citing MJ's integrity and credibility, two things which I feel don't extend beyond his music making ability. I don't think "disrespect" is a term that should apply to him, and so I stated my opinion.

I get sick of all the MJ worship from the press and everyone else. Yes, Thriller is a good album, but the man was a pederast. Even if it is because of his own upbringing/abuse/etc. - he was still scum.

And if we just want to keep the discussion to music, MJ had a pretty shitty output from the mid 90s on. If this is full of unreleased recent stuff, it most likely won't be any good either.

Ds, dare I ask this...what is your opinion of Roman Polanski?

Also, thanks for the compliment jp1. I do my best to be fair and polite(as do the other mods, believe it or not), though I admit I've had my share of spats, and more than once I've not phrased things well and come across the wrong way to folks. I just want everybody to have a positive experience here, learn new things, contribute to the knowledge base, and find new games to love. And I know the other mods do too. We all have our bad days and our fervent opinions(I've had arguments with folks on here before...heck, one of the first conversations I had with Ds was on politics. I apologized to him later for how I acted), so please don't forget we're only human.

Anyway, it's a fun job, but not always an easy one, but I love doing it and so do the other mods. Also, Ds does a hell of a job.

NP big Ack, I like the way you talk. It wasn't a knock on any of the other Mods. In fact I think you all do a great job including Ds, whom I was actually defending a little even if it didn't sound like it. I've just noticed a certain tact from you that I wanted to comment on. Like I said everyone is prone to having an off day or a colorful comment it's no big deal. I had a nice little spat with one of the more useless members we have ever had that I'm certainly not proud of.

On Tupac, I remember the flea market being riddled with hundreds of his "hidden" unreleased cds predicting his own death or singing about still being alive for about 2 years after.

[noiseredux]

On Tupac, I remember the flea market being riddled with hundreds of his "hidden" unreleased cds predicting his own death or singing about still being alive for about 2 years after.

2 years? There's still new ones coming out yearly.

[Capcomwarrior]

On the Jordan Chandler admittance of false accusation... he hasn't, and most likely never will admit (unless he thinks he can bank off a book when he's old), however he does have a real history of recanting statements. Check this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7014043/

Doesn't prove he lied, but I think its the most useful source on that situation so far in this thread.