hashiriya1 wrote:I have never seen this show and I was gonna start getting em on netflix...but seeing how pissed you guys are, forget it. I want to be entertained, not annoyed and pissed off.
i think of LOST as being 2 separate series: seasons 1-3 and seasons 4-6.
if i were you, i would at least watch the first 3 seasons. it is good, adds some mystery, and VERY entertaining. and to be honest, half of the mystery in the first 3 seasons aren't answered anyways, so you really aren't missing much by not watching the last 3 seasons.
seasons 4-6 is just shit. makes no sense. random shit thrown at you ALL the time. the story gets WAY to complicated.
What kind of annoys me is that fans have been providing answers to all the big questions for years, and the damn creators of the show can't? There are tons of perfectly acceptable theories that have been posted on forums throughout the years that actually make sense.
They've said time and time again on their podcasts that the fans are smarter than they are. Apparently, they were right.
At least Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica tried to answer all of that show's mysteries AND gave us great character moments. That show's finale was much more satisfying. They kind of screwed everyone on the whole what the hell is Starbuck thing though. Though I think we can all just say angel and be done with it. That show was more honest too, the podcast made it clear Ron Moore was making things up as he went along
Well, I still enjoyed the ride that this show was. Lost is one of those journey matters more than the destination type of things in life. It gave us great characters like Hugo Reyes and Sawyer, genuine surprises and good stories, even though the show's main plot was always just going nowhere. Plus, I appreciate the many philosophical, scientific and religious references and how though provoking the show was, but I'm not going to totally defend the show.
I still feel a bit jipped with how the finale didn't answer a bunch of stuff, INCLUDING why the man in black became a smoke monster, who was his mother, what the hell is the island, what the hell is that light on the island, what the hell was the point of all the time travelling bullshit, what would have actually happened if the island was destroyed, what the hell was the infection(which apparently had no real affect on Clair and Sayid), why was Walt so important, why was Aaron so important, what the hell happened to Sun and Jin's baby, why where certain important people missing in the church scene(which ties into this next point) and why the hell did they make such a big deal about Sayid and Shannon when they have already established that she is NOT the love of his life. That didn't make ANY SENSE AT ALL. They really had no clue what the hell they were doing these past six years. I'm sure there are even more unanswered questions I'm forgetting about
There's a Lewis Black quote that applies to this show's finale
"There is no better moment than this moment, when we're anticipating the actual moment itself. All of the moments that lead up to the actual moment are truly the best moments. Those are the moments that are filled with good times. Those are the moments in which you are able to think that it is going to be perfect, when the moment actually happens. But, the moment is reality, and reality always kinda sucks!"
RyaNtheSlayA wrote:
Seriously. Screw you Shao Kahn I'm gonna play Animal Crossing.
Can someone phrase what happened in a few, non-snarky, non-trying to be funny words?
I heard something on the radio about a frozen donkey wheel, and that piqued my interest. I also heard the ending stated that it was "just the dog's dream", which I doubt is true, but seems awesome, as I always wondered if dogs really had dreams. My dog Ripley tends to flip out a little when she sleeps.
Luke wrote:Can someone phrase what happened in a few, non-snarky, non-trying to be funny words?
I heard something on the radio about a frozen donkey wheel, and that piqued my interest. I also heard the ending stated that it was "just the dog's dream", which I doubt is true, but seems awesome, as I always wondered if dogs really had dreams. My dog Ripley tends to flip out a little when she sleeps.
Well the dog always shows up for no apparent reason. His presence feels more like a stupid in joke than anything. The frozen donkey wheel was something from a previous season finale that actually caused the island to move. The whole it was "just the dog's dream" is someone's bad attempt at humor
Basically, the serie's finale boils down to Jack fighting Smoke Monster to keep him from excaping the island and presumably doing lots of evil shit even though we are never given any reason why he actually would do that and are suppossed to take it on faith. Oh yeah and Smokie couldn't actually turn into the Smoke Monster for reasons unexplained other than that he would have too easily kicked Jack's ass. Jack gets his ass handed to him anyway and gets saved by Kate, which is really anti-climactic but there had to be some reason for useless Kate to still be around so I guess this was it.
Jack sacrifices himself to save the island and makes Huge Reyes the new island protector in a really lame, unceremonious passing of the torch scene. Then Jack dies and we find out that sometime in the future, every other living character from the show dies and they all end up in some sort of purgatory that takes the form of an alternate life they all lived until they all remember their "real" life, which prompts them to meet at a church for a reunion, then they move on to what is presumably heaven, while Ben Linus stays behind because he was clearly the most evil bastard on the whole show, then we jump back in time and watch Jack close his eye as he dies, which is a really lame call back to how the show began with Jack opening one eye
RyaNtheSlayA wrote:
Seriously. Screw you Shao Kahn I'm gonna play Animal Crossing.
Luke wrote:Can someone phrase what happened in a few, non-snarky, non-trying to be funny words?
I heard something on the radio about a frozen donkey wheel, and that piqued my interest. I also heard the ending stated that it was "just the dog's dream", which I doubt is true, but seems awesome, as I always wondered if dogs really had dreams. My dog Ripley tends to flip out a little when she sleeps.
Well the dog always shows up for no apparent reason. His presence feels more like a stupid in joke than anything. The frozen donkey wheel was something from a previous season finale that actually caused the island to move. The whole it was "just the dog's dream" is someone's bad attempt at humor
Basically, the serie's finale boils down to Jack fighting Smoke Monster to keep him from excaping the island and presumably doing lots of evil shit even though we are never given any reason why he actually would do that and are suppossed to take it on faith. Oh yeah and Smokie couldn't actually turn into the Smoke Monster for reasons unexplained other than that he would have too easily kicked Jack's ass. Jack gets his ass handed to him anyway and gets saved by Kate, which is really anti-climactic but there had to be some reason for useless Kate to still be around so I guess this was it.
Jack sacrifices himself to save the island and makes Huge Reyes the new island protector in a really lame, unceremonious passing of the torch scene. Then Jack dies and we find out that sometime in the future, every other living character from the show dies and they all end up in some sort of purgatory that takes the form of an alternate life they all lived until they all remember their "real" life, which prompts them to meet at a church for a reunion, then they move on to what is presumably heaven, while Ben Linus stays behind because he was clearly the most evil bastard on the whole show, then we jump back in time and watch Jack close his eye as he dies, which is a really lame call back to how the show began with Jack opening one eye
Now I know why I never watched it. I can't even believe that there was an actual frozen donkey wheel and a "lost dog".
That shit sucked. I feel incredibly insulted. Oh well, I guess. They have said since the beginning that the characters were not dead and it was not limbo. I mean, of course they were not going to come out and say it was and give the whole show away, if the limbo thing was even the intention all along. The fact that I am an atheist probably adds to my disgust with that ending. Oh well, I only watch one other show, Survivor. I'll just stick with that.
Eidt: Thinking on it some more I do not think it would have been that bad if not for the flash sideways stuff. If all of that was removed from the last season I think I would possibly appreciate it better.
So much hate. In my opinion I think how much you ultimately liked the ending has to do with one of two pretty much opposing world views: Do you see things as mostly black and white, right and wrong, letter of the law? Or do you tend to see shades of gray in the world, in people, in your workplace, etc? If it's the former you're probably the type of person who HAS TO KNOW THE ANSWERS. If it's the later, you are probably cool with how it all went down -- despite many very obvious mistakes/plot holes.
There's really only one (very simple) answer to the big question: What is the island? It's a MacGuffin. Nothing more, nothing less.
For those who haven't seen the show - Please don't let these knee jerk reactions color your willingness to give it a shot. Watch the first season, you won't be disappointed. TV at its finest. If it catches your imagination, you'll want to see it through. Trust me.
RadarScope1 wrote:So much hate. In my opinion I think how much you ultimately liked the ending has to do with one of two pretty much opposing world views: Do you see things as mostly black and white, right and wrong, letter of the law? Or do you tend to see shades of gray in the world, in people, in your workplace, etc? If it's the former you're probably the type of person who HAS TO KNOW THE ANSWERS. If it's the later, you are probably cool with how it all went down -- despite many very obvious mistakes/plot holes.
There's really only one (very simple) answer to the big question: What is the island? It's a MacGuffin. Nothing more, nothing less.
For those who haven't seen the show - Please don't let these knee jerk reactions color your willingness to give it a shot. Watch the first season, you won't be disappointed. TV at its finest. If it catches your imagination, you'll want to see it through. Trust me.
I wouldn't tell anyone not to watch it, but like I said before, enjoy the ride. The actual destination is a dissapointment, but that's a problem with a lot of shows, wrapping things up properly. Heroes had a great first season and then completely ruined it with the season 1 finale.
RyaNtheSlayA wrote:
Seriously. Screw you Shao Kahn I'm gonna play Animal Crossing.
If you look at Chuck, such a low rated show and it had an AMAZING season finale tonight. Chuck keeps the storytelling simple, and pays off EVERYTHING. Wish Lost could have done that.
RyaNtheSlayA wrote:
Seriously. Screw you Shao Kahn I'm gonna play Animal Crossing.
Now I know why I never watched it. I can't even believe that there was an actual frozen donkey wheel and a "lost dog".