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Lost final season
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Re: Lost final season
The flashbacks, flashforwards, and flashsideways have always primarily dealt with the characters and their interpersonal relationships. The characters were never my main concern. I had stated that the flashsideways would end horribly. I stand corrected. It was a fantastic conclusion made all the better by combining two previously debunked (they're already dead & purgatory)theories.
HOWEVER...unfortunately, first and foremost, this was a mystery show. The finale provided ONE answer - "What was in the light cave?" Of course, that didn't really lead anywhere(A light plug? Really?)
As I've said before, this is a cop-out. If they didn't intend to provide answers to the mysteries they've CREATED, then there was no point in having the story take place on a mystical island. The "flash______" stories could have easily taken place in LA. Hell, I'm sure I could come up with tons of curious interpersonal connections between my friends and family too, leading to us finding each other in the afterlife...but since I'm not on a mystical island, my backdrop would not interest you. The fact that the writers refuse to acknowledge this is insulting.
I'd love to hear how Lost was pitched to TV execs...
Asshole Abrams: "We're gonna do a mystery show that takes place on a mystical island. We'll delve into the characters back-stories, making people care about them(LIKE ANY SIMPLY GOOD, WELL-WRITTEN SHOW SHOULD DO), and by the end you'll realize it was about the journey towards the afterlife."
TV Exec: "Well, what does the island have to do with it?"
Abrams: "What? What island?"
TV Exec: "You mentioned an island..."
Abrams: "No I didn't!"
FUCK YOU.
HOWEVER...unfortunately, first and foremost, this was a mystery show. The finale provided ONE answer - "What was in the light cave?" Of course, that didn't really lead anywhere(A light plug? Really?)
As I've said before, this is a cop-out. If they didn't intend to provide answers to the mysteries they've CREATED, then there was no point in having the story take place on a mystical island. The "flash______" stories could have easily taken place in LA. Hell, I'm sure I could come up with tons of curious interpersonal connections between my friends and family too, leading to us finding each other in the afterlife...but since I'm not on a mystical island, my backdrop would not interest you. The fact that the writers refuse to acknowledge this is insulting.
I'd love to hear how Lost was pitched to TV execs...
Asshole Abrams: "We're gonna do a mystery show that takes place on a mystical island. We'll delve into the characters back-stories, making people care about them(LIKE ANY SIMPLY GOOD, WELL-WRITTEN SHOW SHOULD DO), and by the end you'll realize it was about the journey towards the afterlife."
TV Exec: "Well, what does the island have to do with it?"
Abrams: "What? What island?"
TV Exec: "You mentioned an island..."
Abrams: "No I didn't!"
FUCK YOU.
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Never really watched much Lost, but I can tell you this. IT was all a sham to sell lots and lots of crappy advertising with 8 minute commercial breaks every 2 minutes.
The writer wrote themselves into a hole, the audience got confused and started leaving when it became useless tripe, ABC freaked and canceled it giving the writers an ultimatum they thought they'd never see and basically it all ended on a bittersweet and horrible cop out that was honestly an "I dunno, we wanted to do better but we fucked up, so here." kind of ending.
Gotta love modern TV!
At least other shows like Big-O made sense after a rewatch as you notice all the little hints and are able to piece together the true meaning of the ending easily afterwards. Lost on the other had never really had a plot, all it did was say "CLIFFHANGER ZOMG!!!" to force viewers to keep watching and hope they would get their answers but never did..
The writer wrote themselves into a hole, the audience got confused and started leaving when it became useless tripe, ABC freaked and canceled it giving the writers an ultimatum they thought they'd never see and basically it all ended on a bittersweet and horrible cop out that was honestly an "I dunno, we wanted to do better but we fucked up, so here." kind of ending.
Gotta love modern TV!
At least other shows like Big-O made sense after a rewatch as you notice all the little hints and are able to piece together the true meaning of the ending easily afterwards. Lost on the other had never really had a plot, all it did was say "CLIFFHANGER ZOMG!!!" to force viewers to keep watching and hope they would get their answers but never did..
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Re: Lost final season
As I think more on it...
The fucking audacity of Cuse and Lindelof...you know, EVERY show has actors playing characters...
Cuse and Lindelof think they've done something special. They somehow maintain THEIR show was always about the characters. How unique
...and wrong.
Some people stopped watching LOST because there were not enough answers for them...not because they had poor character development. Do they honestly think otherwise?
LOST ending without answers is like Seinfeld ending without humor. Oh wait...
Seriously though, how can Cuse and Lindelof claim the show is not about the mystery first and foremost? That's akin to trying to sell a sitcom that's not funny. Nobody would have given a shit about Costanza and Kramer if they weren't funny in the first place.
The fucking audacity of Cuse and Lindelof...you know, EVERY show has actors playing characters...
Cuse and Lindelof think they've done something special. They somehow maintain THEIR show was always about the characters. How unique
Some people stopped watching LOST because there were not enough answers for them...not because they had poor character development. Do they honestly think otherwise?
LOST ending without answers is like Seinfeld ending without humor. Oh wait...
Seriously though, how can Cuse and Lindelof claim the show is not about the mystery first and foremost? That's akin to trying to sell a sitcom that's not funny. Nobody would have given a shit about Costanza and Kramer if they weren't funny in the first place.
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Re: Lost final season
I have never seen this show and I was gonna start getting em on netflix...but seeing how pissed you guys are, forget it. I want to be entertained, not annoyed and pissed off.
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Re: Lost final season
The ending was a copout, but atleast it wasn’t all a dream or that they really were aliens. There are still countless unanswered questions and will always be. Even though I am ok with the ending, I agree with crux. Take the last season out of this and the show was alright. This last season was terribly useless. It feels that the writers said “crap we gotta wrap this up now, lets go the easy way and they are all dead.”
The show hooked me with mystery and paranormal things, but after the third season it started to fall apart hard. This season start off really promising, but the whole sideways flashes were just a joke.
I enjoyed the show enough to spend the $150-200 on the DVD/bluray boxset. But that finale disc might just get thrown out...
The show hooked me with mystery and paranormal things, but after the third season it started to fall apart hard. This season start off really promising, but the whole sideways flashes were just a joke.
I enjoyed the show enough to spend the $150-200 on the DVD/bluray boxset. But that finale disc might just get thrown out...
Re: Lost final season
Never seen it, probably never will. It always seemed from promos and fan babble to be akin to Gilligan's Island crossed with cheesy sci-fi and "OMG PHILOSOPHIKAL" references. If I want an intriguing island-based narrative I'll read Lord of the Flies.
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Re: Lost final season
One of my coworkers is pushing the "they died in the plane crash and the island brought them back to life" theory and keeps saying theyve been dead the entire series.
Re: Lost final season
I gave up somewhere around season 3 but I think it would have been better to have gone with "they have been dead the whole time" than "You wasted 6 years on this show and we don't give a crap about answering any of the questions you have had since day 1". The entire show was like one big F U.
My ONLY interest from the beginning was the explanation of the island and the weird things that happen on it. They debunked so many theories to try and keep the mystery that they backed themselves into a corner with nothing left that makes sense. So, that's what everyone got...nothing.
It may have been a cop out for the entire thing to be purgatory or whatever but at least it would have made some kind of sense. Hell, I would have settled for the rip off dream sequence ending over nothing.
They all EVENTUALLY died one day?!?!? You don't say. I can't believe it.
Man, Lynch fans must love this show.
My ONLY interest from the beginning was the explanation of the island and the weird things that happen on it. They debunked so many theories to try and keep the mystery that they backed themselves into a corner with nothing left that makes sense. So, that's what everyone got...nothing.
It may have been a cop out for the entire thing to be purgatory or whatever but at least it would have made some kind of sense. Hell, I would have settled for the rip off dream sequence ending over nothing.
They all EVENTUALLY died one day?!?!? You don't say. I can't believe it.
Man, Lynch fans must love this show.
Re: Lost final season
My Final Verdict on LOST: Come for the plot, stay for the characters.
The first few seasons get your brain active in trying to figure out what the hell is going on at the island. You stick it out cliff hanger after cliff hanger hoping you will figure it out, but it only gets increasingly confusing. Along the way, there is some great character development. You really grow attached to these people from viewing their struggles. To appreciate LOST, you have to be willing to give up on the plot at some point while still caring about the characters.
I can't say I'm disappointed in the finale, but only because the rest of the season had prepared me for the fact that there was no way in hell they could tie all the loose strings together in the plot. In fact, I really liked the finale. What they did was create incredible pathos for all of the characters. I think they excelled at that. I was moved throughout the final episode and cried like a baby every time another couple in the sideways reality regained their memory of their life on the island. Though I disliked them at first, I came to really appreciate the flash sideways scenes by the end of this season because in the remembering moments it made everything on the island seem more important and worthwhile. The finale tied things up for me emotionally, if not intellectually.
Ultimately, I do feel a bit jipped about the plot of the whole series though. I put quite a lot of thought into trying to figure out what was going on, only to realize that it's an unsolvable riddle. The story is too nonsensical for there to be any real derivable answers that coherently weave everything together. I felt similarly about the movie Donnie Darko, which also provided a really cool experience that was ultimately never explainable, though it gave the illusion of providing you clues that would lead to some sort of sensible conclusion.
I've enjoyed LOST. I would still recommend it to those that haven't seen it. Ultimately, I don't know if an explanation to all of the events of the season would have felt all that satisfying. It's a bit of a cop out, but understanding the show is about understanding the struggles of the people, not making sense of the situations that they struggle through. I still found that a gratifying experience, despite some lingering feeling that I should have been able to figure it all out. I guess that's how life is though.
The first few seasons get your brain active in trying to figure out what the hell is going on at the island. You stick it out cliff hanger after cliff hanger hoping you will figure it out, but it only gets increasingly confusing. Along the way, there is some great character development. You really grow attached to these people from viewing their struggles. To appreciate LOST, you have to be willing to give up on the plot at some point while still caring about the characters.
I can't say I'm disappointed in the finale, but only because the rest of the season had prepared me for the fact that there was no way in hell they could tie all the loose strings together in the plot. In fact, I really liked the finale. What they did was create incredible pathos for all of the characters. I think they excelled at that. I was moved throughout the final episode and cried like a baby every time another couple in the sideways reality regained their memory of their life on the island. Though I disliked them at first, I came to really appreciate the flash sideways scenes by the end of this season because in the remembering moments it made everything on the island seem more important and worthwhile. The finale tied things up for me emotionally, if not intellectually.
Ultimately, I do feel a bit jipped about the plot of the whole series though. I put quite a lot of thought into trying to figure out what was going on, only to realize that it's an unsolvable riddle. The story is too nonsensical for there to be any real derivable answers that coherently weave everything together. I felt similarly about the movie Donnie Darko, which also provided a really cool experience that was ultimately never explainable, though it gave the illusion of providing you clues that would lead to some sort of sensible conclusion.
I've enjoyed LOST. I would still recommend it to those that haven't seen it. Ultimately, I don't know if an explanation to all of the events of the season would have felt all that satisfying. It's a bit of a cop out, but understanding the show is about understanding the struggles of the people, not making sense of the situations that they struggle through. I still found that a gratifying experience, despite some lingering feeling that I should have been able to figure it all out. I guess that's how life is though.
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