Franchises that should have never continued

[Weekend_Warrior]

How can it be wrong to state an opinion?

I don't like Fatal Fury or the King of Fighters series. I think they're cheap Street Fighter clones. End of conversation

[the7k]

How can it be wrong to state an opinion?

I don't like Fatal Fury or the King of Fighters series. I think they're cheap Street Fighter clones. End of conversation

You didn't say anything about it being opinion before.

Anyway, why is it just KOF and Fatal Fury that are Street Fighter clones, despite KOF's many gameplay variations and Fatal Fury's plane-changing/background interactions? Would you also consider Guilty Gear a Street Fighter clone?

Is Streets of Rage a clone of Final Fight? Is Tekken a clone of Virtua Fighter? Is Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare a clone of Counter-Strike?

[Weekend_Warrior]

You didn't say anything about it being opinion before.

In case you missed it, this is a message board. And the topic in which I'm posting in is entitled "Franchises that should have never continued" and so I named a few. That means that those are my picks. Those are my decisions. Those are my opinions. Make sense?

Anyway, why is it just KOF and Fatal Fury that are Street Fighter clones, despite KOF's many gameplay variations and Fatal Fury's plane-changing/background interactions? Would you also consider Guilty Gear a Street Fighter clone?

Like I said in another post.. pretty much every 2D fighting game since Street Fighter II is a rip-off in some way, shape or form. Especially any game in which a character uses the classic "half moon + punch" to throw a fireball, flame, etc.

And sure, there's a lot of "Street Fighter" in Guilty Gear. But to be honest, it's probably more of a Darkstalkers rip-off than Street Fighter.

Is Tekken a clone of Virtua Fighter?

Of course it is. Virtua Fighter (1993) was the first arcade fighting game to use full 3D-rendered polygons, and is considered to be "the original 3D fighting game." Tekken (1994) was released a year later and although the gameplay mechanics may differ from VF, it still holds the same premise - hand to hand combat in 3D.

[the7k]

Especially any game in which a character uses the classic "half moon + punch" to throw a fireball, flame, etc.

Fatal Fury originally didn't have the quarter circle motions in it. Originally, the motions were very awkward and hard to use.

People hated it. So they went with what worked. You should innovate where you can, but innovating for the sole purpose of being different is fucking idiotic.

You know what I love about Garou: Mark of the Wolves? You don't need instructions to play it. The moves are natural. If you've played any 2D fighter, there will be no confusion what-so-ever. I consider this to be a huge plus for the game.

And again, I feel like anyone who can say Tekken is a rip-off of Virtua Fighter hasn't actually played both of them. Just because they're 3D fighters, that makes one a rip-off? Seems awfully close minded.

Wait a tick -

Is Tekken a clone of Virtua Fighter?

Of course it is. Virtua Fighter (1993) was the first arcade fighting game to use full 3D-rendered polygons, and is considered to be "the original 3D fighting game." Tekken (1994) was released a year later and although the gameplay mechanics may differ from VF, it still holds the same premise - hand to hand combat in 3D.

So then, would you say that Soul Calibur is a rip-off of Virtua Fighter? Is Samurai Showdown a rip-off of Street Fighter? Because it seems like all a game has to do is not be about hand-to-hand combat for it to not rip-off Street Fighter or Virtua Fighter - which seems pretty ridiculous. The 'hands', the 'fireballs', the 'weapons' - they're nothing but sprites or models. It's the gameplay that counts.

Calling any 3D fighter a VF rip-off "because it has hand to hand combat in 3D" is like if the producer of Die Hard tried to sue the makers of Lethal Weapon for having a Protagonist, an Antagonist and a huge explosion.
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[Weekend_Warrior]

I feel like anyone who can say Tekken is a rip-off of Virtua Fighter hasn't actually played both of them. Just because they're 3D fighters, that makes one a rip-off? Seems awfully close minded.

You've got a lot of guts saying that to me. I was a teenager in the 1990's and grew up when fighting games ruled the the arcades. Believe me, a hell of a lot of companies tried to capitalize on Street Fighter II's success. And one of those companies is without a doubt.. SNK. With Art of Fighting, World Heroes, Fatal Fury, and eventually King of Fighters... they pushed hard to try to find a game that could strike a chord or compete with Capcom's Street Fighter II. But in the arcades, hardly anyone ever really played those games. At least not in the area where I lived. It was always Street Fighter II, Mortal Kombat, Killer Instinct, and then Virtua Fighter. It wasn't until the Neo Geo home console and later on the Megadrive/Genesis, SNES, and Playstation that those series of games actually started to became well-known. However, a lot of people still wrote them off as being mere Street Fighter clones. Whether or not you personally believe that to be true is totally up to you. But I would definitely be included in that list.

Does King of Fighters being SNK's answer to Street Fighter II or Tekken being a clone of Virtua Fighter automatically make them bad games? Of course not! I just happen to prefer the SF2 series and Virtua Fighter more because yes, they are the original, unique fighting games, and also because I simply feel that they are indeed superior to many of these other games that came after them.

[SplashChick]

How can it be wrong to state an opinion?

I don't like Fatal Fury or the King of Fighters series. I think they're cheap Street Fighter clones. End of conversation

When your opinion is based on misinformation and falsehoods.

Which it is.

[elvis]

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[dsheinem]

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Also, Weekend Warrior makes perfect sense to me:

Believe me, a hell of a lot of companies tried to capitalize on Street Fighter II's success. And one of those companies is without a doubt.. SNK

His recollection of what fighters were played in arcades, how they were popularly regarded, etc. is accurate. Even if SNK/Namco games AREN'T "clones" of Capcom/Sega games, even if their movesets and strategies are very different, they were indeed attempts to capitalize on a trend.

[alienjesus]

wow, this thread's atmosphere seems to have got a little chilly ¬_¬

Allow me to input some suggestions of mine and get this back on track:

Starfox - SNES one was great(my favourite SNES game in fact), N64 one was good, Gamecube ones were OK, DS one was dire... Do I sense some diminishing returns here?

Golden Axe - Should have stopped after the first, which was enjoyable for its time. 2 and 3 however.... And then there was beast rider. ew.

Shinobi - Oooh, here comes some controversy. I loved shinobi and revenge of shinobi. Shinobi 3 was pretty good. Then there was the ...ermm.... alternative take of shinobi X/ legions.

Yoshi - OK, Yoshi's Island was fantastic, yoshi's story was...decent, yoshi's universal gravitation was bloody awful, yoshi's touch and go was just a tech demo, and yoshi's island 2 was an average attempt at getting the series back on track.

Tomb Raider - Thats all I need to say really.

Also gonna agree on some previously mentioned stuff - Sonic, Crash, Spyro all plummeted in quality. However, I would only say its the 3D sonic games that took the nosedive. Sonic's Pocket Adventure, Sonic Advance 1 and 2, Sonic Rush....those were all pretty fun.

[Erik_Twice]

SimCity, after 3000 Unlimited

Society wasn't even a Simcity title, yes but Simcity 4 seems good to me, and a no-brainer upgrade. Why didn't you like it? Too hard at first?

How can it be wrong to state an opinion?

Opinion: Black people are inferior monkeys that should be destroyed

How can it be wrong to state that opinion? I wonder.

This "every opinion is respectable" bullshit gets me everytime. Opinions aren't respectable, at all. People are.