wiiwaa- nintendo hates me personally.

[ieatramen]

I'm imagining a suit that will rig together a ton of wiimotes and everything you do will happen ingame. It would be a really expensive and most likely terrible idea, but it's a start.

I'm looking forward to that head tracking thing going commercial. now that's interactive.

[Dylan]

I don't think Nintendo is money making geniuses

Okay, we're aware that you don't like the Wii. We get that, it's a matter of opinion and it should be respected. But to say that the people at Nintendo don't know how to make money is ridiculous.
First off, since the original Gameboy, Nintendo has sold around 310 million handhelds, not to mention that they've dominated that market all along as far as game sales are concerned. The Wii by far leads this generation of consoles, selling 56 million, whereas the 360 and PS3 have sold only 2 million more combined.

Now, let's take a look at this year's top 10 games:
1. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Xbox 360 - Activision Blizzard - 4.2 million
2. Wii Fit (w/ balance board) - Wii - Nintendo - 3.5 million
3. Wii Sports Resort (w/ MotionPlus) - Wii - Nintendo - 2.4 million
4. Wii Mario Kart (w/ wheel) - Wii - Nintendo - 2.2 million
5. Wii Play (w/ remote) - Wii - Nintendo - 2.1 million
6. Halo 3: ODST - Xbox 360 - Microsoft - 2 million
7. Pokemon Platinum Version - DS - Nintendo - 1.9 million
8. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - PS3 - Activision Blizzard - 1.9 million
9. Madden NFL 10 - Xbox 360 - Electronic Arts - 1.5 million
10. New Super Mario Bros. Wii - Wii - Nintendo - 1.4

Not only are 6 of those games on Nintendo consoles, but some of them aren't even from this year. As far as longevity is concerned, they don't seem to be doing a bad job.

[corn619]

I think Nintendo has a demographic of more advanced players(Mario, Zelda,RE4, and Metroid people) which they are neglecting. Not Nintendo exactly but 3rd party developers. Survival Horror games can be a blast on the Wii, but no one is doing it right. Red Steel was amazing on paper, we ended up with half decent game, good in theory executed badly.

I disagree to a certain extent with this statement. The Conduit, Okami, Madworld, HOTD Overkill, Dead Space Extraction, Muramasa, Zack & Wiki, and Trauma Center I&II all great games geared towards the Mario, Zelda, RE4, and Metroid people sold rather poorly on the Wii and have been commercial failures. Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Sin & Punishment 2 and Fragile are sure to fail as well. Hell, even Punchout! wasn't the big success Nintendo had hoped it would be. At least when compared with other 1st party titles.

I don't think we are being ignored at all, we are just a very, very small minority of the Wii's customer base. Most gamers like ourselves have multiple systems and have to make choices when buying a game. How many people do you think went to the game store and bought Muramasa The Demon Blade over a huge release like Arkam Asylum or "the next best FPS of the week".

Let me answer that, maybe 1 out of 1000. Lots of 3rd party pubishers have had their asses handed to them on the Wii retail store shelve and I think they are looking elsewhere to make money. Most people who own a Wii just don't buy as many games or play as much as someone who owns a 360 or PS3. Its got nothing to due with lack of quality 3rd party titles.

[RCBH928]

I don't think Nintendo is money making geniuses

Okay, we're aware that you don't like the Wii. We get that, it's a matter of opinion and it should be respected. But to say that the people at Nintendo don't know how to make money is ridiculous.
First off, since the original Gameboy, Nintendo has sold around 310 million handhelds, not to mention that they've dominated that market all along as far as game sales are concerned. The Wii by far leads this generation of consoles, selling 56 million, whereas the 360 and PS3 have sold only 2 million more combined.

Am not saying they can't make money obviously they have been profiting all those years, I am just saying they are not geniuses , let us not forget the N64 drought and the Gamecube making Nintendo's future looking gloomy. They underperformed for two generations with big mistakes like the cartridge system(N64 is probably my favorite console), and the Gamecube, I don't know whats wrong with it but it was even behind the new comer, xbox.
psx alone sold more than N64+Gamcube combined. Actually PSX sold almost just as much as N64+Gamecube+Wii up to date!
I have nothing against the Wii trust me, I just really wish they would use the system up to its capacity.

As for hand-helds, sure they have always been on top, but when did we ever saw a real competitor? Game Gear? Neo-Geo Pocket?

I think Nintendo has a demographic of more advanced players(Mario, Zelda,RE4, and Metroid people) which they are neglecting. Not Nintendo exactly but 3rd party developers. Survival Horror games can be a blast on the Wii, but no one is doing it right. Red Steel was amazing on paper, we ended up with half decent game, good in theory executed badly.

I disagree to a certain extent with this statement. The Conduit, Okami, Madworld, HOTD Overkill, Dead Space Extraction, Muramasa, Zack & Wiki, and Trauma Center I&II all great games geared towards the Mario, Zelda, RE4, and Metroid people sold rather poorly on the Wii and have been commercial failures. Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Sin & Punishment 2 and Fragile are sure to fail as well. Hell, even Punchout! wasn't the big success Nintendo had hoped it would be. At least when compared with other 1st party titles.

I don't think we are being ignored at all, we are just a very, very small minority of the Wii's customer base. Most gamers like ourselves have multiple systems and have to make choices when buying a game. How many people do you think went to the game store and bought Muramasa The Demon Blade over a huge release like Arkam Asylum or "the next best FPS of the week".

Let me answer that, maybe 1 out of 1000. Lots of 3rd party pubishers have had their asses handed to them on the Wii retail store shelve and I think they are looking elsewhere to make money. Most people who own a Wii just don't buy as many games or play as much as someone who owns a 360 or PS3. Its got nothing to due with lack of quality 3rd party titles.

I can see your point of view, but lets be honest this is the mistake of the 3rd party developers. Okami didn't sell well on ps2, you really to expect it to sell well on the WIi?
The Conduit scored 69/100 on metacritic,
And when was the last time you saw a 2d game(Muramasa), rail shooters, or a point and click adventure(Z&W) scoring millions in sales?
If the "hardcore" community didn't exist then how can you explain the good sales of RE4, Mario Galaxy, Zelda, and Metroid ? The same people playing Carnival Games?

Do you really think you can compare Muramasa to Arkam Asylum?
Not only the Batman game scored higher, its based on Batman against unknown characters from Muramasa. Not to mention its a mainstream genre, 3D action adventure, against a 2D beatem-up?

All the games you mentioned I like, but if those games were released on 360 or ps3 they won't score that much any way because the flaw is within the game/marketing. The right games sold a lot.
Plus if those games do not make any sales I do not think we will see releases of COD, Wrestling games, fighters and more. They are selling, they are just not releasing the right games.

[Dylan]

Am not saying they can't make money obviously they have been profiting all those years, I am just saying they are not geniuses , let us not forget the N64 drought and the Gamecube making Nintendo's future looking gloomy. They underperformed for two generations with big mistakes like the cartridge system(N64 is probably my favorite console), and the Gamecube, I don't know whats wrong with it but it was even behind the new comer, xbox.

So... what? Their past mistakes are irrelevant to their present success. The stroke of genius was to expand the market to a new audience, thus increasing sales and profits, not to mention pushing them ahead of the entire market. It takes genius to make money, otherwise anyone could do it.

Actually PSX sold almost just as much as N64+Gamecube+Wii up to date!

You're off by about 12 million units.

As for hand-helds, sure they have always been on top, but when did we ever saw a real competitor? Game Gear? Neo-Geo Pocket?

That's not a relevant point. The competitor's lack of success has not generated Nintendo's consistent success.

[Arbitern1]

I don't think Nintendo is money making geniuses

Okay, we're aware that you don't like the Wii. We get that, it's a matter of opinion and it should be respected. But to say that the people at Nintendo don't know how to make money is ridiculous.
First off, since the original Gameboy, Nintendo has sold around 310 million handhelds, not to mention that they've dominated that market all along as far as game sales are concerned. The Wii by far leads this generation of consoles, selling 56 million, whereas the 360 and PS3 have sold only 2 million more combined.

Am not saying they can't make money obviously they have been profiting all those years, I am just saying they are not geniuses , let us not forget the N64 drought and the Gamecube making Nintendo's future looking gloomy. They underperformed for two generations with big mistakes like the cartridge system(N64 is probably my favorite console), and the Gamecube, I don't know whats wrong with it but it was even behind the new comer, xbox.
psx alone sold more than N64+Gamcube combined. Actually PSX sold almost just as much as N64+Gamecube+Wii up to date!
I have nothing against the Wii trust me, I just really wish they would use the system up to its capacity.

As for hand-helds, sure they have always been on top, but when did we ever saw a real competitor? Game Gear? Neo-Geo Pocket?

I think Nintendo has a demographic of more advanced players(Mario, Zelda,RE4, and Metroid people) which they are neglecting. Not Nintendo exactly but 3rd party developers. Survival Horror games can be a blast on the Wii, but no one is doing it right. Red Steel was amazing on paper, we ended up with half decent game, good in theory executed badly.

I disagree to a certain extent with this statement. The Conduit, Okami, Madworld, HOTD Overkill, Dead Space Extraction, Muramasa, Zack & Wiki, and Trauma Center I&II all great games geared towards the Mario, Zelda, RE4, and Metroid people sold rather poorly on the Wii and have been commercial failures. Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Sin & Punishment 2 and Fragile are sure to fail as well. Hell, even Punchout! wasn't the big success Nintendo had hoped it would be. At least when compared with other 1st party titles.

I don't think we are being ignored at all, we are just a very, very small minority of the Wii's customer base. Most gamers like ourselves have multiple systems and have to make choices when buying a game. How many people do you think went to the game store and bought Muramasa The Demon Blade over a huge release like Arkam Asylum or "the next best FPS of the week".

Let me answer that, maybe 1 out of 1000. Lots of 3rd party pubishers have had their asses handed to them on the Wii retail store shelve and I think they are looking elsewhere to make money. Most people who own a Wii just don't buy as many games or play as much as someone who owns a 360 or PS3. Its got nothing to due with lack of quality 3rd party titles.

I can see your point of view, but lets be honest this is the mistake of the 3rd party developers. Okami didn't sell well on ps2, you really to expect it to sell well on the WIi?
The Conduit scored 69/100 on metacritic,
And when was the last time you saw a 2d game(Muramasa), rail shooters, or a point and click adventure(Z&W) scoring millions in sales?
If the "hardcore" community didn't exist then how can you explain the good sales of RE4, Mario Galaxy, Zelda, and Metroid ? The same people playing Carnival Games?

Do you really think you can compare Muramasa to Arkam Asylum?
Not only the Batman game scored higher, its based on Batman against unknown characters from Muramasa. Not to mention its a mainstream genre, 3D action adventure, against a 2D beatem-up?

All the games you mentioned I like, but if those games were released on 360 or ps3 they won't score that much any way because the flaw is within the game/marketing. The right games sold a lot.
Plus if those games do not make any sales I do not think we will see releases of COD, Wrestling games, fighters and more. They are selling, they are just not releasing the right games.

I hate people who bring up Metacritic scores in order to try and prove that a game is better...Im sure Modern Warfare 2 got an extremly good Metascore, yet i would rather stick an undisclosed number of lit firecrackers to my genitals than play MW2.I'd take Muramasa over Arkam Asylum anyday. I do think that nintendo has struck a gold mine in this generation of gaming. I do think the wii has it's flaws, but i love it just as much as my PS3 or my 360. It is unique and allot of the games appeal to hardcore audiences. You don't see as much of FPS shitfest on the wii.

[pepharytheworm]

Anyone else notice the Band-aid on the kids finger. I bet he cut himself playing with that thing, especially the buttons.

I'd feel strange playing that game with the stuffed animal but it looks pretty cool.

[corn619]

Kingmohd84, Metacritic scores doesn't equal sales. World Of Goo, Okami, Zack & Wiki, Little King's Story, Punchout! all on the top 20 list all had disapointing sales. The Conduit was a good game and I had fun with it and was a example of a FPS done right. Silent Hill is a great example of survival horror done right on the Wii and I bet it won't sell well either.

My point is kingmohd84, "which I think you missed" is that the Wii has plenty of great 3rd party games. Its just nobodys buying them because they don't say Mario or Zelda on the cover. And about the Batman Arkam Asylum and Muramasa comparision, you made my point for me. People would rather buy the same old stuff than take a risk on something new and different. I think thats the real problem.

People like a familiar name. All those great, new and original 2D action, railshooters and point and click adventures were supposed to appeal to the hardcore gamer, and we left those games on the store shelf because, they didn't say Mario, Zelda or Resident Evil on the box.

[RCBH928]

guys, you are not making any sense

You are saying that games that scored higher are not better(mw2, batman)
games that sold more are not better

then which games are better? games that appeal to a niche within a niche?
If you want to pickup Muramasa over MW2, fine , sure go ahead. I would do it too , I don't like MW2 either, but lets be honest all in all MW2 is better.
It has better graphics, online gameplay, high score, better marketing, you name it...

People might want to pickup what they know like Mario, but its not the reason those games do not sell. If that was the point then how can Assassin Creed, Gears of War,and Resistance make huge sales? How did Halo do it with the original Xbox?

I honestly think the developers didn't put in the effort to sell their games, there are 60 million Wii's sold, its impossible there are not enough customers to sell those games to if they were good in the first place.

Nintendo fanboys last generation bought RE's, 007's, wrestling, Soulcalibur ,
those fans who bought those games didn't just disappear did they?

[corn619]

Kingmohd84 ,your original argument was the noncasual Wii gamer was being ignored by 3rd party devs. I was simply pointing out to you all the great noncasual 3rd party titles that didn't see the sales they should have. I was also pointing out why they didn't sell. People like yourself who complain that theres no great 3rd party games for the Wii have no feet to stand on this argument. Theres plenty, nobody bought them. When no one buys they cease to make more.