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[Xonticus]

That being said, I'd like to state that the fact that the Moderators actually listen to criticism and others opinions on here as one of the reasons that I daily come back to these forums.

Thank you all for continuing to spark the flame of these forums, and keeping the discussion alive and interesting.

[Inazuma]

I'm not saying that, it's just that Inazuma's opinions are so polarising that any thread that he casts his opinion out, turns into 'I'm right (inazuma), it's society (the rest of the forum-members) that is wrong'.

Opinions are not the same as facts. What usually ends up happening is I state a fact (something that most people are not aware of or are incapable of understanding), and many people get upset about it and end up insulting me, personally. I'm aware that some things I say go against what most people believe, but that's not my problem. I'm one of those types of people who has a low tolerance for bullshit and I refuse to play dumb in order to be accepted by the masses, even if it means frustrating some ignorant people with an argument they cannot possibly win.

In the baby thread, I said that dumb people have more children than smart people. That's true. I can understand how someone might choose to disagree with it or get upset about it, but it is in fact, generally true. I'm sorry for being very blunt and crude about the way I say these things but that's just how I am. I don't like to use politically correct terms. I will call someone fat, not "overweight". When someone dies, I will say "they died", instead of "they passed on", etc.

I think my problem is that I am too quick to assume that others are capable of the same logically thinking as I am. When I say it like it is, I will often find myself being attacked by close minded individuals who refuse to think before throwing insults at me and telling me how wrong I am, yet they can't actually explain why I'm wrong. I should probably keep to myself more and let everyone continue enjoying living in their fantasy worlds. I can let them know why it's a fantasy world but they are not capable of understanding it and it will only upset them and make them get angry at me.

My faults aside, there is a common fault I see with a lot of people (some of you included). I will say something like "Prayer doesn't work", and instead of getting a response such as "No, You are wrong because....", they will simply tell me I am wrong with no explanation to back it up, or they will just call me an asshole and leave it at that.

The thing is, if I was really wrong about prayer, they should be able to explain to me how I am wrong. How come I'm always able to explain/prove my statements but you can't do the same? I know that I'm usually right so it's very hard to do but if I was wrong about something, you shouldn't have a hard time setting me straight. Once I begin to have doubts about something, I will suddenly stop acting so sure of myself and be open to a possible alternative. Believe it or not, I am very open minded.

Personal insults do nothing. It's important to understand that even if every insult you threw at me was 100% truth, it doesn't affect the subject at all. The moment you resort to petty insults, you have admitted that you are wrong since you have abandoned the topic at hand. Same thing as throwing a punch at me. If you beat me in a fist fight, that doesn't make you right. It's unrelated. An example of this would be:

Inazuma and Steve are sitting at the same table. On the table is a bowl with two apples in it.
Inazuma - "There are two apples in this bowl."
Steve - "No. You are an asshole."

Regardless what either of us say or believe, the fact is that there are two apples in the bowl. Let's continue the conversation a little longer and see if anything changes.

Inazuma - "I'm an asshole? Yeah, you're right. I really am. In fact, I was wrong about the apples too. There aren't any apples here at all."
Steve - "Aha, I knew it."

Now both of us are in agreement that I am an asshole and there are no apples. However, despite all this, the apples are still there.

One of my favorite things to say is "Truth = Truth". The only way to stop something from being true in the future, is to do just that, do something so it stops being true. In the above example, you could eat the apples, take them out of the bowl and throw em out, smash the bowl to pieces, etc. You can try everything else possible, including insults, illogical arguments that make no sense, and running away but none of those can change the fact that there are 2 apples in the bowl. Of course you will get frustrated if you keep fighting against the truth head-on.

That's what really gets people upset. It's not me personally. I'm just some asshole loser on the internet. No need to get upset over some stupid fucker on a message board. I merely get you to confront the truth. However, truth is very powerful stuff and we all know that truth is an opponent that can never be beaten.

The only people who dislike me are those who refuse to accept the truth of the world we live in. For those who understand this world, there is no reason to get upset at me since I am just saying obvious things.

I will end this long ass post with a new statement from me. This time I want to test if anyone will hate me for it.

"A" is the first letter in the English alphabet.

[wakeup]

What usually ends up happening is I state a fact (something that most people are not aware of or are incapable of understanding), and many people get upset about it and end up insulting me, personally.

I will often find myself being attacked by close minded individuals who refuse to think before throwing insults at me and telling me how wrong I am, yet they can't actually explain why I'm wrong.

Believe it or not, I am very open minded.

[vash23n]

Anyway, the moderating here has always been good (long before I became a mod) and has kept the forum tidy and civil. Also, it is worth noting that, historically, mods have been responsive to threads like this - so I appreciate the criticism and will certainly keep it in mind before I wield my mighty modding powers, as I can guess most of the others will as well.

I agree with this. If I had come to this forum and saw that it was filled with personal jabs and I'm right and you are wrong and I will keep repeating myself until you agree I would never have joined. I like how tidy the forums are and I think the problem with a lot of forums is that it is filled with people who feel like they have the right to their opinion, which they do, but their opinion is not phrased in a civil way that gives rise to a civil debate. I think debates becoming a bit heated is fun. But when it comes to people saying something like "Oh so you don't think this or that is right so you must be against homosexuals (this is an actual example)... that's when it starts to get pointless and annoying. That is someone feeling threatened and throwing out something completely childish so that the other people will somehow have to agree... again, this is an actual example that happened a little while back and ultimately the conversation got very outrageous very fast.

[pepharytheworm]

In before the lock this time not kidding. Oh and 2=0. . I am not going to be baited this time. I just hope you don't live to die a lonely old man hope you are enough company for yourself.

[Hatta]

The only people who dislike me are those who refuse to accept the truth of the world we live in. For those who understand this world, there is no reason to get upset at me since I am just saying obvious things.

I agree with you on a lot of things. Marriage is dumb, children are more trouble than they're worth, and there is no God. You just don't need to be so pushy about it, you make the rest of us rational people look bad.

You're like the guy who can't stop talking about Jesus. Even people who believe in God hate that guy. Have some tact, and you'll convince more people when they're not on the defensive from the start.

[Xonticus]

Opinions are not the same as facts. What usually ends up happening is I state a fact (something that most people are not aware of or are incapable of understanding),

I think my problem is that I am too quick to assume that others are capable of the same logically thinking as I am. When I say it like it is, I will often find myself being attacked by close minded individuals who refuse to think before throwing insults at me and telling me how wrong I am, yet they can't actually explain why I'm wrong. I should probably keep to myself more and let everyone continue enjoying living in their fantasy worlds. I can let them know why it's a fantasy world but they are not capable of understanding it and it will only upset them and make them get angry at me.

I find that extremely insulting to my and our collective intelligences. Not everyone who opposes your opinion is unable to grasp mentally what you mean.

The thing is, if I was really wrong about prayer, they should be able to explain to me how I am wrong.

Not all people have the ability to explain to you on terms you can understand like you can.

I know that I'm usually right so it's very hard to do but if I was wrong about something, you shouldn't have a hard time setting me straight.

Aggorance and closed-mindedness in one sentence. Very hard to accomplish indeed.


I don't hate you for anything you say or could ever say, let's get that point across.

[vash23n]

I think my problem is that I am too quick to assume that others are capable of the same logically thinking as I am.

I really didn't think this topic should get personal, but Inazuma, your major problem is that you are completely full of yourself. There are people who may completely agree with you, but, unfortunately, you have such a caustic personality when posting that it just makes people not want to talk at all. So they respond with a simple one word answer just to quiet you and get back to the real discussion. Then, you press and press because you take this as you being completely right and you ultimately turn everyone against you. I have met people like you before who give these long-winded personal opinion filled speeches and they think what they say is fact because they believe it or because they can cite a wiki article or because no one feels like arguing back because they are just humoring you by listening to you in the first place. Even if you do know something you do not present it in a reasonable way where someone can say "thank you, I did not know that." You, instead, present it in this condescending "hah, I got them with this topic, wait until I show off my stuff." Whenever you say something, just because you are saying it, I do NOT take it as fact. Even if it is. I will research anything you say before I take it as fact. It is not because you are more logical and I cannot grasp the unearthly intelligence you possess, it's because your personality makes you seem like a fanatic and we know that most fanatics are full of shit. You see it as being true to yourself and honest and that somehow this puts you on a higher level and screw whoever doesn't want to listen to you. This is not how knowledge spreads though and, ultimately, even if you are happy, you are not helping the rest of the world in any way. Not to mention it is intimidating for people who may not want to take part in the conversation and we lose out on what could be a very valid opinion.

You do not have a PhD, I think. If you did, I would take whatever you were a doctor in under consideration. You do not know all the facts about everything. For instance, maybe prayer helps. I am not religious so it wouldn't work for me, but maybe someone who prays feels more confident going into the day and better about themselves meaning they create the happiness or good luck they prayed for. Bam! Is that fact, no it's an opinion. But you will just say "no, you can't prove to me that there is a signal that leaves your hands when you hold them a certain way and that there is someone who receives this signal somewhere else and sends you what you asked for." You asked for some of the most absurd things to be proved, but nobody cares. If you take only things that are factual and 100% proven than you must have a bleak life. It is fun to have hope (hope can't be proven to do anything), faith (can't be proven to do anything), and imagination (just a worthless tool to consider things that are not 100% factual and thus are a waste of time)... etc.

[dsheinem]

Opinions are not the same as facts. What usually ends up happening is I state a fact (something that most people are not aware of or are incapable of understanding), and many people get upset about it and end up insulting me, personally....

In the baby thread, I said that dumb people have more children than smart people. That's true. I can understand how someone might choose to disagree with it or get upset about it, but it is in fact, generally true.

Well, you've inadvertently nailed part of the problem here: true ≠ generally true. You took a "general truth" and applied it across the board, which gets under ths skin of those who are exceptions to your "general truth."

I think my problem is that I am too quick to assume that others are capable of the same logically thinking as I am.

Well, I hate to drag this out again, but: http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 0&start=20

I've told you about the generalization problem before, which is what gets you into trouble more than anything else. I would actually concur with you on some of your claims from post to post, but then you take your "evidence" and apply it too far/too liberally. So while you claim to be "logically sound," most of your arguments are so full of logical fallacies (a Debate/Argumentation 101 term - look it up!) that it is easy for people to poke holes in what you say.

The only people who dislike me are those who refuse to accept the truth of the world we live in. For those who understand this world, there is no reason to get upset at me since I am just saying obvious things.

Emo overtones in this statement aside...you can't really think that your understanding of "truth of the world we live in" is completely and utterly objective, can you? Anyone who is dogmatic about their view of the world is just as bad as those religious radicals you (rightly) point to as close-minded...

[Xonticus]

I'd like to quote crux from the other topic you posted and say:

"dsheinem, I want to hug you."