Portables hacked into consoles?

[DNT 2.5]

Dude, What? The DS is more comfortable and as Niode said, Lighter.
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How do you use two hands when using the touch screen?

[NeoTechni]

What do you mean wth am I talking about? Ds is heavier and bigger thats what
psp isnt played with one hand either, ds is
you like to bring up ds lite, well there are other psp models too (slim, go) plus the new heaviest portable ever, dsi xl

and most ppl dont have large enough hands to use the touchscreen while holding it with both hands

yes i do own both a dslite and multiple models of psp

[Niode]

I'm saying you're talking out of your backside.

You don't play the DS with one hand... The vast majority of games don't use the stylus as main method of input anyway.

No matter which way you look at it, the DS and the DS lite is lighter, I don't know about the DSi becaues I don't have one. The DSiLL isn't designed for mass market, it's designed for the elderly market who desire a DS with a bigger screen so that they can input better with the stylus. These people aren't going to be 'playing' the DS for long sessions, so that point is absolutely irrelevant.

Your perceptions of reality are clearly warped if you think the DS lite is bigger than the PSP. It just isn't.

[NeoTechni]

I'm saying you're talking out of your backside.

Funny, I feel the same way about you. And I'll prove it.

You don't play the DS with one hand...

Yes, you do. The vast majority of DS games do actually use the touch screen, surprise surprise.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/30/dsi-xl-faq-sized-up/
http://www.t3.com/feature/spec-showdown ... s-psp-slim
http://nzgamer.com/e3/features/799/e3-p ... ds-on.html

DSi XL: 314g
Original DS: 300g
Original PSP: 260g
Nintendo DS Lite: 218g
DSi: 214g
Sony PSP-3000/Sony PSP Slim & Lite: 189g
PSP Go: 158g

As I've said, there are multiple models of PSP you're ignoring

And I said PSP is smaller than the DS, meaning the original models (you brought up other models after that) so lets check that one.

http://playstation.about.com/od/psp/a/PSPSpecs.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_D ... ifications

PSP 170mm x 74mm x 23mm = 289340 cubic mm
DS 148.7 mm x 84.7 mm x 28.9 mm = 363992.321 cubic mm

I'm sick of all the trolling PSP has got since even before it came out.

So there. I've proven my statements about DS being heavier and larger. You can leave the insults at the door next time and discuss in a civil manner.

[MrPopo]

Yes, you do. The vast majority of DS games do actually use the touch screen, surprise surprise.

I assume you've got numbers to back that up. And let's not confuse "use" with "require" and also be aware of the degree of use. Let me throw out a few examples:

Front Mission DS can be controlled with the trouch screen but is fully functional using the buttons
Super Princess Peach uses the touch screen to change between moods. You can accomplish this with the stylus or with your thumb (which is far more convenient)
Star Fox Command uses the touch screen for flight controls and planning the next turn

Three very different degrees of touch screen, and only the last one involves you continuously with the stylus out.

As for this point:

PSP 170mm x 74mm x 23mm = 289340 cubic mm
DS 148.7 mm x 84.7 mm x 28.9 mm = 363992.321 cubic mm

Cubic doesn't matter in this instance. Fully half of the DS's cubic is in the top screen, which floats above the part you're actually manipulating. So the DS ends up having a smaller helft to it. Or to compare it with something else, let's compare the GBA original with the GBC. Both have approximately the same cubic (very rough estimate based on eyeballing). But since the GBA is held landscape vs. the GBC being held portrait you end up with the GBC being smaller than the GBA in the part that matters.

[noiseredux]

remember when this thread used to be about portables hacked into consoles?

[NeoTechni]

Yes, you do. The vast majority of DS games do actually use the touch screen, surprise surprise.

I assume you've got numbers to back that up.

You didn't use numbers when you made the opposite claim, why are you now demanding them from me? I don't like hypocrisy.

I can logically claim most games use the touch screen because it is DS's only defining characteristic that separates it from PSP. It's not having dual screens since they add up to a resolution smaller than PSP's one screen.

Cubic doesn't matter in this instance.

Yes, it does. Size = volume not surface area.

[noiseredux]

remember when this thread used to be about portables hacked into consoles?

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[MrPopo]

Yes, you do. The vast majority of DS games do actually use the touch screen, surprise surprise.

I assume you've got numbers to back that up.

You didn't use numbers when you made the opposite claim, why are you now demanding them from me? I don't like hypocrisy.

I can logically claim most games use the touch screen because it is DS's only defining characteristic that separates it from PSP. It's not having dual screens since they add up to a resolution smaller than PSP's one screen.

I did not make the opposite claim. I questioned your claim. There's a difference. I also pointed out that use of the touch screen does not automatically mean that you have to play one-handed. And you clearly don't understand the purpose of having two screens if you think that all they do is get added together and compare with the PSP screen. Having a second screen gives you a separate logical area for the display. Some games will simply mush the two screens together, like Metroid Prime Pinball. Others use the second screen for information, such as Castlevania.

Cubic doesn't matter in this instance.

Yes, it does. Size = volume not surface area.

Once again, you missed my point. As I brought attention to in the GBC vs. GBA, the layout matters more for apparent size than the cubic. Let's say I made a PSP that was twice as wide, but had the same cubic as a regular PSP (so it would be thinner to compensate). You would rightly call my PSP:W bigger than the regular PSP.

[NeoTechni]

I did not make the opposite claim.

Ah, I didn't realize there were 2 people. I don't pay attention to names

Niode said: The vast majority of games don't use the stylus as main method of input anyway.

Though you didn't ask him for numbers, so technically still hypocrisy

And you clearly don't understand the purpose of having two screens if you think that all they do is get added together and compare with the PSP screen. Having a second screen gives you a separate logical area for the display

No. My point is everything that you can do on 2 small screens can be done on one of equal or larger resolution. You can easily split PSPs screen into 2 different ones and many games do so. Games never needed 2 separate displays to do split screen multiplayer, maps/radars before.

And you clearly don't understand my point. The touchscreen is the only part of DS that makes it so games can be done on it that couldn't be done on PSP, so of course most games are going to use it

Once again, you missed my point.

No, you're arguing with the definition of size.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/size
the spatial dimensions

I didn't, not get your point. I said you were wrong.