Obama wins Nobel Prize

[ZeroAX]

george bush should have gotten a nobel peace prize.

Well, if Obama deserves one so does Bush because in reality President Obama has pretty much continued the policies of President George W. Bush with regard to the Middle East.

one of them started a war, for weapons of mass destruction that were never found, the other wants to end the war, and already has a a plan in motion to remove the troops from that country.


were exactly you see the same policies, baffles me.

also, he at least tries diplomacy, when it comes to finding a solution about iran.

[Limewater]

Ok got it. I personally don't see a whole lot of ass kissing due to him being black/part black/whatever.

Well, it looks like it has cooled down now, but he and the newsmedia were having a love-fest for the first several months.

Anytime I see the race issue come up it ends up being a dead end. Republicans say obama/democrats use his race to call republicans racist for not supporting him. They like to claim that it makes them have to watch everything they say or else they'll be called racists.

I have not seen President Obama making these accusations, but other people are. I don't blame Obama for them. I think you are seeing any complaints involving President Obama as a complaint against him.

[wclem]

I have less money. My friends have less money or no jobs. 3 trillion in deficit for my daughter. Tax increases, record unemployment. Where is the stimulus? (well that woman who holds the slow sign on the side of the road is getting that).

Hell at least Bush sent me a check (twice). I could use one now. Give local and state governments that money, you and I have not seen it.
you should see what they have done to route 57 in elyria, Ohio. Guys these are just fact really, the economy is tanked.

By the way, has there ever really been peace without war? I cannot recall a negotiated peace, but I may be worng.

For the record, the people who vote for that prize are so out of touch with people like me and you. They are clueless.

[dsheinem]

Hell at least Bush sent me a check (twice). I could use one now. Give local and state governments that money, you and I have not seen it.

Maybe if Bush had been a little more financially responsible and NOT sent those checks to placate the middle class...

It's a well supported fact that the economy of the first few years of any presidency are the result of policies put into place in the previous term - there's a 2-3 year window for the economy to catch up. Any look back through U.S. history basically confirms this (with some notable footnotes along the way such as the economy post WW2, which had little to do with fiscal policy).

The current state of the economy has VERY LITTLE to do with Obama's policies - even though he is trying to what he can to fix it. It will likely be 2 more years before we know if his ideas were good ones. I suspect some were, some weren't, but overall we'll be better off.

Even Obama thinks that this prize is ridiculous and undeserved and has more or less said so. Anyone who has been following the NPP committee would know that they have been becoming more political and less discriminating in their choices. I doubt Obama will cite it very often in speeches or flaunt it in anyway.

On the other hand, I think he does deserve all the accolades for being the first black president. To claim that he hasn't accomplished anything is pretty ignorant of the history of racism in this country and blind to how much of it is still going on. In this country someone of his background IS considered black, even if you think it's silly. For a black person to become president - that was completely unthinkable even a decade or two ago.

No, he hasn't accomplished much as president just yet, but it's not like many people (including himself) are claiming otherwise. He is working on fixing big problems left to him and all of it takes time. In any case I see the current government deadlock/failures as the result of Congressional infighting and lobby dependency more than a direct fault of his. Sure, I have been disappointed with some of his decisions along the way, but overall it is far too early to bring in the jury...

[Ack]

What makes me mad is people using this as further excuse to hate on Obama. I'm pretty sure it's just a bunch of Norwegian's that decide who gets this award(right? I might be way off base with this actually but at least you get the point, Obama didn't give it to himself) so now all these pseudo racists get one more thing to place under the "why we hate him" list so they can make themselves feel better about the fact that really they are not comfortable with a black president. I wish this just didn't happen.

I like how you imply that anyone who might be critical of him is a racist.

That is not what I am saying at all. I agree with everyone here that I don't really think Obama deserved the nobel peace prize, but I don't think he should be criticized just because he was selected for it.

As for the racist thing, when the Tea Party marched downtown in DC I went and interviewed about 100 people there and every single for one their answers eventually evaporated into this kind of pseudo racism and insecurity about his religious beliefs, none of them had problems solely with his policy. I know that isn't a massive sample size but it was literally 100% of the people I interviewed. So I really do believe that there is a large group of people out there whose problems with the President lie in his race, but jump all over any little thing they can in order to guise there discrimination as concern for the country. I am in no way saying that anyone who is critical of him is a racist, in fact I really don't know where you got that???? I just said this is one more thing that "these pseudo racists" can attempt to use against him and it's a shame cause he really did nothing. I think its really unfair and hyperbolic to say that what I said implies that "anyone" who is critical of Obama is a racist. I really think your way off base.

It's this line right here, actually:

I'm pretty sure it's just a bunch of Norwegian's that decide who gets this award(right? I might be way off base with this actually but at least you get the point, Obama didn't give it to himself) so now all these pseudo racists get one more thing to place under the "why we hate him" list so they can make themselves feel better about the fact that really they are not comfortable with a black president.

You make it sound like the only people who have any criticisms of him are "pseudo racists." You know, one of my best friends didn't vote for Obama, based on his opinions concerning abortion. Hey, it's considered a major issue, so I can see it being a critical piece of someone's decision. This friend of mine was harassed and called a racist by his coworkers repeatedly afterward.

It reminds me a lot of when Barney Frank claimed all the people who opposed the stimulus package were racist because they opposed a plan that would give money to poorer minorities, or that all the right wing folks were racist because they opposed plans to give poor individuals cheaper access to housing(which contributed to our current debacle).

While you may not have meant to call people racist for opposing him(and I don't believe you did), there seems to be a lot of name calling going on, in some cases by well known Democrats, that any opposition is being done by racists. And that just simply isn't true.

As for those tea parties, I have several friends who attend those(some of which are also ethnic minorities), and they tend to go because they oppose government intervention, especially that which hasn't been spent on improving infrastructure, as well as the current attitude of many politicians. I admit that some of the people involved are in it are in it for racial reasons, but to say the entire movement is racist or pseudo racist is to insult many of the points it's trying to make about the quality of our government.

[PGchris]

I really don't get it. I'm clearly stating I have a problem with racist people who grasping for reasons to hate Obama. Not your friend, not anyone on this board, not anyone who legitimately disagrees with Obama only people who start grasping for reasons to hate on him for but really there grudges lie in there insecurity with a black president. Let me make this a more clear. Hating Obama and being a racists ARE NOT mutually exclusive you can disagree with his views on healthcare and not be racist. My only point was that this whole Nobel peace prize thing is just more issue racists out there can use against Obama when it is the epitome of a non-issue.

[wclem]

He spends my hard earned money on things we dont need. I am not going to pay for someone else's mpney. It is mine and not his to spend as he sees fit. I dont care who he is or what he is, stop wasting my money, taxes and big government are not good. I dont need the government to support me, help me or do anything for me. It needs to leave me alone, let me work and gain on my own merit.

EVERYONE needs to get off the governement TIT and earn their own keep. I do, i work 60 hours a week to support my family, I will be damned if I am gonna pay for someone else healthcare, retirement or housing. There are jobs and if you have to work 2 low paying jobs then so be it. At least a person can sleep at night knowing they did it, not someone else's sweat. By thw way, I am loosing vision in both my eyes and will probably be blind by the time I hit 40 or so, but I pay for my treatment, I work to pay for my treatment and if a turd like me can then anyone can.

Sorry, I get very upset with the whole politics thing. disregard my comments as rambling if need be,

[jfe2]

I don't mind political discussion, but one thing I've always noticed about them is that no matter where you are, be it school, work, standing in line at the store, or on a message board about retro gaming, everyone gets very hostile. I don't know if its because of the passion that some people have about whats being talked about, or if its just a display or ignorance and rage, but either way it kind of brings the mood down in general.

Maybe we should all lighten up a bit and stop with the personal jabs?

[Limewater]

everyone gets very hostile.

I think you're overgeneralizing.

[ZeroAX]

He spends my hard earned money on things we dont need. I am not going to pay for someone else's mpney. It is mine and not his to spend as he sees fit. I dont care who he is or what he is, stop wasting my money, taxes and big government are not good. I dont need the government to support me, help me or do anything for me. It needs to leave me alone, let me work and gain on my own merit.

EVERYONE needs to get off the governement TIT and earn their own keep. I do, i work 60 hours a week to support my family, I will be damned if I am gonna pay for someone else healthcare, retirement or housing. There are jobs and if you have to work 2 low paying jobs then so be it. At least a person can sleep at night knowing they did it, not someone else's sweat. By thw way, I am loosing vision in both my eyes and will probably be blind by the time I hit 40 or so, but I pay for my treatment, I work to pay for my treatment and if a turd like me can then anyone can.



Sorry, I get very upset with the whole politics thing. disregard my comments as rambling if need be,

but you didn't mind when your money was spend on a war, on the other side of the planet?