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alienjesus wrote:3D Zelda is better than 2D zelda on average, even though I love both.
Yeah, that's probably unpopular in these here parts. (I can actually see a case for this, because some of the handheld entries have been pretty weak... for a Zelda.)
The worst Zelda game by far, not including the CDi nonsense, is the original. It just hasn't aged well at all. Golden Axe Warrior blows it out of the water.
Madness! (Not that it hasn't necessarily aged well, but that Golden Axe Warrior blows it out of the water.)

For my own contribution: if we go by the number of times I've played through them, Zelda II is the better NES Zelda.
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Sarge wrote:
The worst Zelda game by far, not including the CDi nonsense, is the original. It just hasn't aged well at all. Golden Axe Warrior blows it out of the water.
Madness! (Not that it hasn't necessarily aged well, but that Golden Axe Warrior blows it out of the water.)

For my own contribution: if we go by the number of times I've played through them, Zelda II is the better NES Zelda.
Yeah, there's a reason I didn't say anything about Zelda 2. That's a great game, even today. It's held up way better than the crazy obtuse and awkward to play original.
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Sarge wrote:I won't agree that it does all the core elements of LttP at an equal or worse level. It's LttP, in 3D.

However, I would argue, especially in those days, figuring out how to effectively transition those elements into a 3D space very much is part of the game design. Pulling it off as well as they did is an impressive accomplishment. In other words: It's LttP, in 3D![/i] Mostly.

I will agree that its greatness in the pantheon of video games, and Zelda as a whole, is dramatically overstated. My appreciation for the game rose quite a bit, though, after playing the 3DS port. It's still not my favorite, but it might be the best-paced of the 3D entries. Still not the rocket-fast pacing of the 2D entries, but it's got a nice rhythm to it.

Just my two cents.

(Also, geez, am I the only one there that actually enjoyed all of them except Majora's Mask? And even that one wasn't bad, just... disjointed.)
That's fair. And there were definitely some franchises that never really figured out how to make the leap to 3D the way Nintendo did with Zelda. They deserve a lot of credit for that, I'm sure it was really hard to do.

That said, my own opinion of the 3D lineage is that it is... uneven. The 2D games are as well, but not as much IMHO. But hey, with any series that has been going for 30 years, some ups and downs are inevitable.
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I won't disagree with that, either. I've got my favorites, and there are probably even a few of the 3D ones I might not like as much if I revisited them.

For what it's worth, I was disappointed somewhat in Wind Waker. I enjoyed it, but as someone that plays primarily for the excellent dungeon design, having so few was a little disheartening. There were some rather poignant moments in that game, though... and Toon Link can be a violent little sucker if he wants to!
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Very Unpopular Opinion:

King's Field IV (i.e., King's Field: The Ancient City) is more true to the formula set out in the original Legend of Zelda than any other modern game (including 3D Dot Game Heroes!).
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alienjesus wrote:
Sarge wrote:
The worst Zelda game by far, not including the CDi nonsense, is the original. It just hasn't aged well at all. Golden Axe Warrior blows it out of the water.
Madness! (Not that it hasn't necessarily aged well, but that Golden Axe Warrior blows it out of the water.)

For my own contribution: if we go by the number of times I've played through them, Zelda II is the better NES Zelda.
Yeah, there's a reason I didn't say anything about Zelda 2. That's a great game, even today. It's held up way better than the crazy obtuse and awkward to play original.
I have to disagree with this. The first zelda is in my opinion the easiest one to just pick up and play. As such I have played it many times, also I don't care for the zelda 2 style at all.

I'm also going to agree that lttp, and links awakening are the top two zelda games. Ocarina of Time is a good game and one of my favorite 64 games but definitely not the best zelda game.
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That's why it's an unpopular opinion. It's also the right opinion. ;)
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Exhuminator wrote:Well, I guess I can stop dissing Wind Wanker and start dissing Skyward Bored nowadays. What a let down that was.
Finally something we can agree upon, goddamn that game has issues where the environment only saves it so long. :( Shame you get worn out playing it too with mandatory pin point waggling needed too for shield blocks and strikes on much of everything. Games are no longer games when they wear you out mentally and especially physically.


I think marlowe is onto something though as are a few others of you, the pinnacle of Zelda is the 16/faux 16bit looking era of Link to the Past and Link's Awakening.

That duo had the right balance of a linear but still 'open' to walk enough world, good spacing on dungeons, no overkill backtracking, nice weapon choices and special item of the game too. The story went well and was fun to mess with, bosses were solid and not stupid and/or annoying. The environment or navigating it didn't get in the way of the enjoyment the least. They're not flawless, but they're the least flawed of the entire franchise and other than a select example or two it has been downhill ever since.

The game industry never learns one big thing, sometimes LESS is more, though that's the pea brained gamers driving that too bitching about features. When you eventually play out something enough all you can ever do is add in fetch quests, dragged out sequences, overkill backtracking, lame secondary items for perfectionists, long open boring eras to traverse, bloating the upgrade system, or other crap of the sort it makes a game wear its welcome out long before it's done and eventually then the gamer is done too with the franchise. I'm pretty much there with it given their new stance with the WiiU one (if it doesn't just go NX too which is likely at launch) trying ot be a me-too open world game. Hyrule Warriors on 3DS looks interesting though.


...and Sarge I *hate* Majora's Mask. It's a short, disjointed annoying hot mess with a really lame time management and mask system that just gets in the way of enjoying it. I can't think of a console one I loathe more than that game by a pretty wide margin. Handheld though, an argument could be made for the GBC crap Capcom shoveled.

I still think other than the triforce fetch quest at the end, the pinnacle across the board in story, animation, design, mechanics, unique concepts, stage layout, locations, characters/designs of those, the cool historical tie back and the rest one could throw out there puts Wind Waker as the peak of the 3D titles, though I'd put Ocarina just under it as it's solid, a little creaky in places as it was a 1st shot learning experience (which the 3DS version does in fact iron out though.)
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I've never been able to make it through more than 5 hours of a 3D Zelda. They all bore me to tears.

I dunno why, I mean the combat in the Souls series is basically the same as the 3D Zeldas, yet i have no problem playing through those games multiple times while a game like Wind Waker bored me within 2 hours of playing, even coming right off the hype of getting a Wii. I remember very distinctly playing it at Christmas, thinking "This isn't as fun as I was hoping it would be" and popping Red Steel in. RED STEEL. I'd have rather played Red Steel than Wind Waker.
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prfsnl_gmr wrote:Very Unpopular Opinion:

King's Field IV (i.e., King's Field: The Ancient City) is more true to the formula set out in the original Legend of Zelda than any other modern game (including 3D Dot Game Heroes!).
Well that's not hard to believe. The Souls series are the best Castlevania, Zelda, Metroid --- games since the 16bit days.
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