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Anyone here a fan of the Tony Hawk games?

I've been playing a lot of Tony Hawk games the past month or so. And for the first time ever, I played more than just the first game in the series.

My history with the games in the series...

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater (1)
I can remember when this game first came out, I was kinda blown away by how much fun it was. At that time, the N64 was the only system I had that it was available on. I can remember renting it from Blockbuster and absolutely loving it. I rented it a few more times after that, but game purchases were far and few between back then, so I wasn't able to get my own copy.

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Fast forward a few years and I got my first Dreamcast. This was shortly after the DC was discontinued, and the games were dirt cheap on the used market. I found a used copy of Tony Hawk Pro Skater for Dreamcast at my local Blockbuster. I had no idea there was even a port of the game on the DC. In came in a jewel case with the front and back cover art, but although it had the front cover artwork the instructions were still missing (torn out). And the disc had a nasty Blockbuster sticker that covers the entire thing. I didn't care though, I was super happy to finally get a copy of this game.

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I had only ever played the N64 version, so I was kinda surprised with the Dreamcast version. I mean, I knew the graphics would be better, but I had no idea how much missing content there was in the N64 version. The songs aren't just short loops anymore, there's video screens in levels, there's blood when you fall, and it really is the best looking port of the first game.

I ended up playing a crap ton of the first game on the Dreamcast. It wasn't long until I beat the game with every character, at which point I had to start a new save file LOL. By this time, many more games in the series had been released. But I never wanted to play any of them. I loved the first game so much, I was afraid that by playing the later games in the series that they would make the first game boring by comparison.

I played so much of the first game on the DC that whenever I play it on a different console, when I save I'm still expecting to hear the VMU beep LOL.

There is one downside to the DC version, however. The controller. Mainly, the D-pad. Since THPS uses all 8 directions for different tricks, it's just too easy to accidentally input the wrong direction on the DC D-pad. It's kinda frustrating. On an occasion, I would play the N64 or PS1 version, and those respective D-pads are just so much better for the game. At this point though, it's kinda tough to go back to the N64 version. Although I'll pop it in from time to time, just for a bit of nostalgia. The PS1 version holds up better, it's just that the graphics aren't as good as on the DC. So that's the trade off for me: PS1 has the better controller, but DC has the better graphics.

And yeah, you can't reminisce about THPS without talking about the soundtrack. I mean, holy shit, that soundtrack was and still is killer. The thing is, a lot of those songs are nothing I would ever listen to. But that's one thing that I loved about them. The game made me listen to music I otherwise wouldn't have listened to. And the track list is just perfect for the game. Every songs pumps you up, they just seem to fit so well.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
As mentioned above, I never wanted to play the sequels because I liked the first game so much. I guess I knew the sequels would be better, and I didn't want them to take any fun away from the first game. So I put off playing them for so long. I eventually got copies of THPS2 on PS1 and Dreamcast, but I never played much of them. Maybe just a few minutes. It wasn't until about 2 years ago that I finally played more of the second game. I got an Xbox 360 for the first time, and was looking for OGXBOX games to try. I noticed that it had an exclusive upgraded version of the second game called 2X, so I picked it up. I played a decent amount of it, but didn't roll the credits.

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It wasn't until just recently though that I really got into THPS2. I ended up playing the Dreamcast version. The DC still has the problem with its D-pad as it does for the first game, but now I have one of those Retro Fighters controllers.

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The D-pad works very well for THSP games, and the controller is comfortable to use. So I ended up playing through the entire game and getting 100% with a couple of characters. Then I was curious to check out the PS1 version, and I got 100% with a couple of characters on that version as well. The PS1 version holds up well, obviously the graphics aren't as good as the DC version but the frame rate is weird.

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After that, I went back to 2X on the Xbox, but something just seems off. I think it's the controller. The Xbox's D-pad works alright, to nail 8 directions with, but it just doesn't feel as comfortable to me as a PS controller. Or even the Retro Fighter's DC controller.

One cool thing about 2X is that it has a few extra levels that are exclusive to that version. They're OK, but nothing memorable I don't think. But 2X also has all of the original THPS levels, which sounds better than it is. It's kinda neat being able to play these levels with the THPS2 mechanics, but it breaks some things. Also, it's extremely weird playing THPS1 with THPS2's soundtrack! Although the Xbox is perfectly equipped to handle this. If you have the THPS1 soundtrack on CD, just rip it to the console and set that as your soundtrack in game for the THPS1 levels. But I'm way too lazy to do that LOL.

Speaking of the soundtracks though... I think THPS1 will forever have the most memorable soundtrack, but THPS2 really grew on me after playing it for so long. And the THPS2 levels grew on me, too. So I ended up really enjoying THPS2. Which, as I feared, now makes THPS1 feel really dated to go back to.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
After getting 100% with just one character in THPS2, I then went out to THPS3. I got three medals really quickly in THPS3, but the game was just feeling really bland to me so I didn't play more of it. It just seemed liked they were chasing in on the same formula, but THPS2 was the high point. THPS3 levels didn't seem as interested, the soundtrack seemed lame, and I guess I just played too much THPS too fast for it to be enjoyable. So I circled back to THPS2 and played that for a while longer.

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Until a week or two ago, I fired up THPS3 again. Initially I had played it on the OGXBOX, but this time I decided to play the PS2 version. After some weeks had passed from playing it for the first time, some of the THPS3 levels and songs did stick in my head. And I realized that it's really not a bad game. So after playing it again on the PS2, I started to have a lot of fun with it.

There's a few things I don't like about it. While the soundtrack grew on me, I just don't think it's as rocking as the first two games. It just doesn't pump me up the way the first two games did. And the levels, some of them are kinda weak. While there aren't any levels that I straight up hate, there are a few that I kinda roll my eyes at. When I had first played the game, there were a few levels that I really didn't like, but they grew on me over time. Suburbia comes to mind. And I'm not a fan of the cruise ship, I still haven't managed to 100% it. I'm still having fun with THPS3, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I don't think it hits the same highs for me that 1 and 2 did. Although I'll have to admit that it has the smoothest gameplay of the three.

After making it to the cruise ship and getting three gold medals on the PS2 version, I figured I just got better at the game with practice. So I fired back up the Xbox version to try and complete that save file, but I was having difficultly getting gold medals. I am noticeably worse at the game on the Xbox. It has to be the controller. I don't have a problem with the OGXBOX controller for most games, but for THPS the PS controller is just loads better in my opinion. Or rather, I'm loads better at the game with a PS controller versus Xbox.

When you look up side by side comparisons of THPS3 on Xbox versus PS2, the Xbox version has the edge. But really they're so close I don't care much. Once I'm playing the game, with nothing next to it to compare it to, I don't care much if the PS2 version isn't as smooth as the Xbox. The one thing that sucks is the Xbox version is 480p while the PS2 is 480i, which matters when using an HDTV. So I've been playing the PS2 version on a CRT, and it looks great! But yeah, long story short, I'm gonna have to go with the PS2 version.

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Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4
I've only played a little bit of this game so far, but I want to circle back. I played it for a bit immediately after playing THPS3 for the first time, so I guess I was a little burnt out on THPS at that point. That's when I circled back to THPS2, and now 3, and after a while I will circle back to 4.

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I played THPS4 on the OGXBOX, but like I was saying for the other games, I think the PS controller is more comfortable. So once I get around to playing 4 again, I think it'll be on the PS2 instead.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater HD
I had no idea this game existed. When I noticed it on Steam, I purchased it immediately without reading any reviews or anything. And wow, what a bad game. The physics feel weird. But probably the worst part is when you bail the screen flashes and you're standing back on your board. There's no animation of your skater getting back up. It's very annoying. So annoying that I couldn't play the game for more than a few minutes. And I haven't played it since.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1+2
This remaster is fun, and I've spent a good amount of time with it. The modern graphics and gameplay mechanics are nice. But whenever I play it, I end up wanting to play the originals instead.
And that's all I've played of the series so far. I'm interested to hear about the other games. I know the quality started to really drop off after a while, but I've also heard that some of the other games after THPS4 are regarded fairly high. Anyone have any opinions on the later games in the series?
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My Dreamcast Retro Fighters pad stopped working :(

I loved the Tony Hawk games as a kid. My history with the games is I played 1-4 and then I kinda got bored of the formula. I never played the Underground games or what came after them (although I corrected that by picking up the first Underground a couple of years ago).

I never got the first Tony Hawk game until later on (in fact, I got it for free). I played it a lot at friends' houses. Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 was the first one I bought though. I had a Dreamcast and had the demo initially, which I played to death despite just being one course. For some reason, I ended up buying the PS1 version instead initially. It was probably because it was cheaper, but it does help that the game is easier to play with a PS1 pad.

I absolutely LOVED THPS2. I played it until I 100% completed it and unlocked absolutely everything. I don't know how I did it to be honest. I probably couldn't do it now. It's still my favourite in the series, although the third game comes close. Eventually I bought the Dreamcast version too. It was a second hand copy and to my surprise when I got home, it also had a disc of the first game inside (PAL Dreamcast games have two disc holders as standard, as we got thicker bespoke cases to house our thicker manuals, due to them needing to have multiple languages). It's a shame my Retro Fighters controller stopped working, as they are the best versions (actually, I have never played the Xbox version of 2, so can't comment on that one), but just let down by the standard controller.

I also loved THPS3 and played that to death as well, despite having the Gamecube version with its tiny d-pad. I am pretty sure I 100% completed that one as well. I think this one has some of the best level designs in the series. I now have the PS2 and Xbox versions.

I also liked THPS4, but I didn't quite love it as much as I did the first 3 games for some reason. Maybe the formula was just wearing thin, even though they changed things up by opening the levels up and removing the time restriction. I actually played more Aggressive Inline, which started that formula first.

I only got Tony Hawk Underground a couple of years back and haven't played much of it, but it seems pretty fun.

The remake of 1 and 2 from a few years back was really good too.
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I had the first two on the Dreamcast and played the hell out of them. Unlocked Spider-Man. I think I maxed all the stats on skaters on the second one, but not too sure.
I had 3 on the PS2, and played it quite a bit, also, but my memories of it are also pretty hazy. I think I only went through career on a couple of skaters (if there even was a career mode in that one; I honestly can't remember). The only things I really remember about the third game is "Ace of Spades," and I think Bam Margera was added as a pro skater. (I watched a fair amount of Jackass back then--.) Also, the Redwood park.

It looks like THPS3 came out in late 2001. So it's probably been about 22 years since I touched anything THPS--.
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As someone who skated growing up, I was in love with the THPS series. I had to 100% with every character, unlock all characters, all gaps, etc. Was an obsession. It was one of only games I could constantly beat my brother and his friends at (he is 5 years older than me).

I actually entered a THPS2 contest when I was 11, it was hosted at the front of Luna Park (an amusement park). I did not realise it was to promote the Dreamcast and had never used a Dreamcast before. I did okay and placed in the top 10, I won a THPS2 shirt, with the DC Swirl and Electronic Boutique. It was about 4 sizes too large, but I wore it into my teen years until it became a sleeping shirt for my now wife. Somewhere along the way it disappeared.

I played the series pretty much up until the Skate series came out, by which time the THPS series was just so tired and over the top. It lent too hard into the CKY/Bam style for awhile and then it just went of the deep it. Skate picked up the slack. I still played them all up until Project 8, but not like I did with the earlier titles. I got all the achievements in THPS HD, which at the time felt amazing compared to what they had been releasing, but man it is rough to play off the back of any other THPS title as the physics are wonky.

While the Xbox versions of those generations are the best in terms of framerate and graphics (many support 720P, etc), once they added reverting (THPS3) into the mix, the xbox controller fell short because of the single shoulder buttons, so the PS2 version wins in that respect.

THPS 1 + 2 is just fantastic.

I got most 'extreme sports' games for PS1 / PS2 generations as they really helped scratch the itch. Some of the better titles are Dave Mirra 1 and 2 (though different control scheme), Mat Hoffman 1 and 2 (Which use the THPS1 and 3 engine), Disney Extreme Skate Adventure (uses the THPS4 engine), Aggressive Inline, SSX3, Skate 1 - 3 (less arcade driven, but overall better games I feel).
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I really enjoyed 1-3, never played 4, and greatly disliked Underground. Underground changes up the structure way too much and adds in a bunch of missions that require you to do specific lines far beyond just hitting one trick on one gap. Much of the fun of THPS is the freedom to mess around in its sandbox, and Underground takes that away.
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Reprise wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:03 pmMy Dreamcast Retro Fighters pad stopped working :(
Reprise wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:03 pmIt's a shame my Retro Fighters controller stopped working, as they are the best versions (actually, I have never played the Xbox version of 2, so can't comment on that one), but just let down by the standard controller.
Ah, that IS a shame! In what way did yours break? It just doesn't work at all? I hope that doesn't happen to mine. Up until just now, I had only ever used the original DC controller for THPS1, and just suffered with the D-pad. Playing with the Retro Fighters pad has been amazing, since these really are the best ports of the games.

I forgot to mention that some years back I actually picked up a PS2-to-DC controller adapter, but I never actually used it. I got it specifically for THPS. It even has a VMU port built in.
I absolutely LOVED THPS2. I played it until I 100% completed it and unlocked absolutely everything. I don't know how I did it to be honest. I probably couldn't do it now.
Actually, with some practice I don't think it's that hard. At least, after I switched to the Retro Fighters controller and also the PS1 version with that controller, the game became easier for me. The cash in the Bull Run level still piss me off to get, and I haven't gotten all the gaps yet, but I can at least 100% a character.
Eventually I bought the Dreamcast version too. It was a second hand copy and to my surprise when I got home, it also had a disc of the first game inside (PAL Dreamcast games have two disc holders as standard, as we got thicker bespoke cases to house our thicker manuals, due to them needing to have multiple languages).
That's awesome, and reminds me of something. I mentioned in my first post that the first time I bought THPS was a used copy, and the disc has a nasty Blockbuster sticker on it. Well, years later when I bought my second Dreamcast off eBay, when I got the DC in the mail and popped open the disc lid there was a nice copy of THPS1 in there. It wasn't advertised as being included in the eBay listing, the seller had no idea it was in there.
emwearz wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 5:03 pm As someone who skated growing up, I was in love with the THPS series.

I got most 'extreme sports' games for PS1 / PS2 generations as they really helped scratch the itch. Some of the better titles are Dave Mirra 1 and 2 (though different control scheme), Mat Hoffman 1 and 2 (Which use the THPS1 and 3 engine), Disney Extreme Skate Adventure (uses the THPS4 engine), Aggressive Inline, SSX3, Skate 1 - 3 (less arcade driven, but overall better games I feel).
That's awesome that you use to skate. I never did, but I was always on a BMX bike. I kinda wish that I learned to skate when I was younger, because it's kinda risky now. I mean, I can't afford to break any bones. And I can't show up to work with missing teeth. I actually purchased my first skateboard 2 years ago. I had a simple goal. I wanted to just be able to roll around on it and feel comfortable doing it. If I could eventually ollie or kick flip or something, that would be awesome, but I kinda just wanted to be able to cruise on it. But my first time on the damn thing, not too long after getting on it for the first time, the board went flying out from under my and I landed really hard on me hip. I ended up hurting my ankle, hip and elbow. And my hip hurt for a while, like a week or two. Yeah, it's just not easy to run that kind of risk at this age. I'll have to stick to the BMX bike.

Not to go too off topic, but it's hard to talk about THPS without talking about the other extreme sports games that followed. I actually played a lot of Dave Mirra 1 on the Dreamcast, and I have fond memories of it. I have the sequel for PS2, but I never played much of it. I'd like to at some point. It's just hard with the muscle memory for THPS. In Tony Hawk, you're trained to hold down the jump button. But it's the opposite in Dave Mirra, you have to hold a direction to pedal then you only press jump when you want to jump. If you hold down jump like in Tony Hawk, then you slow down. So I can't play Dave Mirra and THPS back to back, I have to forget about one to play the other.

Is Matt Hoffman 1 worth playing today? I know it uses the THPS1 engine. I've heard that the sequel wasn't very good.

Disney Extremem Sake sounds interesting. Is it worth checking out?
emwearz wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 5:03 pm I actually entered a THPS2 contest when I was 11, it was hosted at the front of Luna Park (an amusement park). I did not realise it was to promote the Dreamcast and had never used a Dreamcast before. I did okay and placed in the top 10, I won a THPS2 shirt, with the DC Swirl and Electronic Boutique. It was about 4 sizes too large, but I wore it into my teen years until it became a sleeping shirt for my now wife. Somewhere along the way it disappeared.
That's really awesome! Too bad you lost it.
emwearz wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 5:03 pm I played the series pretty much up until the Skate series came out
Is the Skate series worth checking out for a fan of the classic Tony Hawk games?
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I used to play 1 and 2
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Ziggy wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:25 pm Ah, that IS a shame! In what way did yours break? It just doesn't work at all? I hope that doesn't happen to mine. Up until just now, I had only ever used the original DC controller for THPS1, and just suffered with the D-pad. Playing with the Retro Fighters pad has been amazing, since these really are the best ports of the games.
Yeah, it is a shame, as I used the controller a lot. I like that it has a much longer cord than the official controller.

It just started acting weird. It would randomly stop being recognised by my Dreamcast and I would have to unplug it and plug it back in to be recognised. It was weird though as often the screen on the VMU would still be on and displaying ok, suggesting it was recognised but pressing button inputs wouldn't do anything. Eventually it got annoying enough for me to swap it out for an official controller and then the next few times I tried to swap back to the Retro Fighters controller, it just didn't work at all.
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That sucks. I wonder if you contacted them, if they'd be able to help you in any way...

https://retrofighters.com/contact-us/

I also have the Retro Fighters wireless OGXBOX controller, I forgot to mention. It's a little better than the official S controller for Tony Hawk games, but still not as good as a Playstation controller IMO.
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It could also be the Dreamcast controller board. Sometimes it can get flaky. Try your RetroFighter controller on someone else's Dreamcast.
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