Hey, Fujii Mutsuhiro of Sega of Japan! Your'e scum!

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Hey, Fujii Mutsuhiro of Sega of Japan! Your'e scum!

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So, I run a retro gaming blog, as well as a complimentary youtube channel. I log into said youtube channel today to see that my main man Fujii Mutsuhiro has decided to file a copyright strike against me for my videos dealing with Shining The Holy Ark.

It would appear I'm not the only one, and I'm somewhat late to the party. But still, what on earth?!

The video in question is not being monitized whatsoever. It is only of small sections insignificant to the whole (no longer available) product. What kind of company does this to their own following?

Oh, right, we're dealing with modern day Sega. I forgot. I bet it has something to do with that whole, Shining Arks on PSP that they've been going on about. This is unacceptable. Is this even really Sega? The logic behind this is so foreign that even Mr. Spock would be puzzled.

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I've heard a lot of Sega doing this in general and it's a really bad way to treat your community, they need all the good exposure and fan support they can muster right now :?
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You're not the first to complain about this. SEGA has destroyed all things Shining on the web that they are not in control of. Especially fan stuff. Seems backwards to me. No one really understands why either, especially because they are still making Shining games. In fact I think a new game is slated for American release this year.

Sucks but your gonna have to comply.
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chupon wrote:You're not the first to complain about this. SEGA has destroyed all things Shining on the web that they are not in control of. Especially fan stuff. Seems backwards to me. No one really understands why either, especially because they are still making Shining games. In fact I think a new game is slated for American release this year.

Sucks but your gonna have to comply.
The "why" I've been hearing is just so they can bump up search results for their new Shining game.

It's a dick move no matter how you slice it.
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They're pissing off the only niche group of people that would consider buying a Shining game in the first place. Stupid.
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BoneSnapDeez wrote:They're pissing off the only niche group of people that would consider buying a Shining game in the first place. Stupid.
Stupid, perhaps..but well within their rights to protect their property as they see fit within confines of existing IP law...it is not worth launching a crusade against them for running their business in such a way as to control their properties as they see fit. Remember, they have shareholders to answer to who probably don't give a shit about your video of an old game if it might infringe on their ability to more effectively promote a new game.

What needs to change are the laws surrounding this stuff...then YouTube's TOS/policies can be changed as well and stuff like Shining Force fan videos can be better protected.

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dsheinem wrote: tldr: Don't hate the player (Sega), hate the game (copyright law)
this.

I mean as much as I'd like to rabble rabble about the SOR remake getting shut down, you have to then see all the Sonic fangames (and recent fanFILM) that were made and Sega didn't touch. Likewise, there's been numerous BOR games completed based on Sega IP's. So it's not like they just go nuts shutting down every single project that has anything to do with their games. It's just that people tend to focus more on the bad than the good. (Which is why a lot of folks seem to ignore Sonic Generations, Sega All-Star Racing, the upcoming PSO2 or the dearth of HD remakes that Sega has recently brought to PSN/XBLA/Steam, and instead pretend that Sega has done no good since the Dreamcast era).
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dsheinem wrote:
BoneSnapDeez wrote:They're pissing off the only niche group of people that would consider buying a Shining game in the first place. Stupid.
Stupid, perhaps..but well within their rights to protect their property as they see fit within confines of existing IP law...it is not worth launching a crusade against them for running their business in such a way as to control their properties as they see fit. Remember, they have shareholders to answer to who probably don't give a shit about your video of an old game if it might infringe on their ability to more effectively promote a new game.

What needs to change are the laws surrounding this stuff...then YouTube's TOS/policies can be changed as well and stuff like Shining Force fan videos can be better protected.

tldr: Don't hate the player (Sega), hate the game (copyright law)
The question here, is if Fujii was within his legal rights to go on this copyright strike wave of his. Remember that fraudulent copyright claims are illegal. Fujii Mutsuhiro himself does not own any part of the Shining Series, and he is NOT their legal team. It's difficult to say whether this is even Fujii himself.

There can be legitimate reasons toe exercise your right to remove content that you own the rights too, but this is hardly one.

Again, there was no profit, the video showed in part the over all product and is insignificant to affect the sale of a product (that isn't available anymore.) This isn't the same deal as uploading a prince song or a movie clip. By playing a portion of a game and recording it, I argue that it is therefor transformative in nature. Sega does not own the copy right to the video footage, they own the rights to the game itself, it's characters and trademarks, and so forth. What's next, Fujii spending all day on google images sending cease and desists for every picture that uses the word "shining"?

I won't just simply comply. Mr. Mutsuhiro is going to have to follow with threats of lawsuits before I bend over and take it. But will I win? No.
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Retronomy wrote:
dsheinem wrote:
BoneSnapDeez wrote:They're pissing off the only niche group of people that would consider buying a Shining game in the first place. Stupid.
Stupid, perhaps..but well within their rights to protect their property as they see fit within confines of existing IP law...it is not worth launching a crusade against them for running their business in such a way as to control their properties as they see fit. Remember, they have shareholders to answer to who probably don't give a shit about your video of an old game if it might infringe on their ability to more effectively promote a new game.

What needs to change are the laws surrounding this stuff...then YouTube's TOS/policies can be changed as well and stuff like Shining Force fan videos can be better protected.

tldr: Don't hate the player (Sega), hate the game (copyright law)
The question here, is if Fujii was within his legal rights to go on this copyright strike wave of his. Remember that fraudulent copyright claims are illegal. Fujii Mutsuhiro himself does not own any part of the Shining Series, and he is NOT their legal team. It's difficult to say whether this is even Fujii himself.

There can be legitimate reasons toe exercise your right to remove content that you own the rights too, but this is hardly one.

Again, there was no profit, the video showed in part the over all product and is insignificant to affect the sale of a product (that isn't available anymore.) This isn't the same deal as uploading a prince song or a movie clip. By playing a portion of a game and recording it, I argue that it is therefor transformative in nature. Sega does not own the copy right to the video footage, they own the rights to the game itself, it's characters and trademarks, and so forth. What's next, Fujii spending all day on google images sending cease and desists for every picture that uses the word "shining"?

I won't just simply comply. Mr. Mutsuhiro is going to have to follow with threats of lawsuits before I bend over and take it. But will I win? No.
But you've entirely confirmed my points. An entity with some rights claims to something related to your video has exercised their right to take it down. Since the particulars of each case would have to be decided in a legal context, it is safest/easiest for YouTube to just side with the entity filing the claim against you.

The financial motives/wisdom of the marketing strategies that are represented by the actions are irrelevant, as is whether or not you think they are legitimate actions. Also irrelevant is whether you think your own videos are "transformative" in some way or what you think Sega owns the rights to. Shitty copyright law is shitty copyright law and it tends to favor those with the money to spend on legal representation and endless suits, and that is where the battle must be fought.
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Sega already has a PR problem and making people take down video's of a game that came out almost 15 years ago is not helping there image. Legal or not they are alienating their biggest asset which is fans. Not that this is anything new for them.
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