I switched to Ubuntu

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I switched to Ubuntu

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I'm not quite sure if anyone cares :p Although, a quick search through the forums did show a few people were interested in using or just learning more about Ubuntu/ Linux in general. So, I thought I might give you a little overview on why I switched, and what my experience has been like.

I haven't been using computers for long (3-4 years), but during that time I always used Windows. The first big incident I remember having was a couple of years ago when IE stopped working. Well, after about an hour of tech support, I said "screw this" and hung up. Later, a friend told me about Firefox. I installed it and have used it ever since. Another frustration was having MS Works on my home computer, but with MS Office on all the comps at school/library. So...I switched to Open Office. Eventually open source, freeware, and trial sharware made up the bulk of my programs.

Things were going well (aside from three-day-a-week malware scanning) But there was still one major incident to come. When I bought the computer, I also signed up for a two year subscription to one of those anti-virus software. Two years later, time is up and every day for about a week, it keeps popping up a nag screen to renew. I procrastinated, figured I'd get around to it. Which was apparently a bad idea :roll: . So yeah, my computer crashed. I gave it to my friend (the same guy who recommended FF), and he was able to get it back up and running. But I wasn't about to let that happen again.

As you can probably guess, this is when Ubuntu came in. Downloading and burning the image was a breeze. Partitioning the hard drive, and installing Ubuntu was similarly easy. Making it completely functional took a little longer, but I was still able to get through it alright. One sticking spot were the codecs, and various other gobbledygook needed to get things like audio/ video formats, flash, java, DVDs, etc. working. Luckily, that little tool called Automatix really helped automate the process (no kidding, right?) Also, as stupid as it may sound, I had trouble getting 3D games to work because I didn't install the graphics card drivers. I searched the Docs up and down, and even asked on the forums (:roll:). It was super easy after I figured it out, but you would think that could have been better documented.

Aside from those little speed bumps, everything has been moving smoothly in about the week period I've had it. Admittedly, I haven't tried everything. Hopefully I will get more into it over the next few weeks. And now some of my personal pros and cons.

+ The GNOME Desktop - It is very minimalist, but still very functional. I used to have my desktop littered with icons. Now, I don't feel the need.
+ It's very customizable!
+ It doesn't nag you much. The first time I went back to my Windows partition, I was greeted with a message from both my anti spyware program, and HP Updates ::?
+ It's secure. I installed a firewall, but other than, I don't think I have to worry.
+ It's stable. It was always a struggle to keep running smoothly. Furthermore, it seemed to get slower as the years went by. I've heard this won't happen in Linux.
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I yet again, tried it last week, but the multimedia support is just crap. Trying to stream wmv or quicktime video off a site was still a nightmare, no matter what codec packages I installed. I'm all about multimedia and until Ubuntu takes it seriously, it's not for me.

But 7.10 did bring in quite a few good features. Ubuntu is becoming very close to a good newbie-friendly, casual OS.
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Is application installation any simpler yet?
I'm a technical person, but that doesn't mean I want to have to run commands to install and app.
Until all the usability stuff gets to the level of Windows/MacOS, I'm probably going to sit it out.

For many of the reasons Mozgus mentions and related issues, it will probably be even longer before I'd put it on my main workstation. Maybe on older hardware with more limited application needs, but I'm pretty efficient in my Windows workspace and don't want to have to make sacrifices just to avoid Microsoft.
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are you using the new "Gutsy Gibbon"?

I've noticed the newest release automatically detected my GeForce 6800 and gave me a choice to install generic drivers or the proprietary Nvidia drivers for it all with the click of a single button.

Also a little description about the codec issues: In the USA it is 'technically' illegal for you to be watching DVD's and WMV and other proprietary formats on your Linux machine. WMV, real, and the sort are codecs that the companies of those codecs have to make for you, no one else is allowed too accept them. So giving you the distro with 'home coded' drivers is against the rules. Other codecs require a licensing fee to be distributed on the install disc... and as it is a free OS, the distro makers out there elect to just have you locate them on your own (i.e. Flash, Macromedia actually makes the linux codec, distributes it for free online, but charges licensing fees to include it on a OS's install disc).

DVD is an even more stringent matter and causes probably what I consider the most annoying part. MPEG2 playback isn't really regulated all that much, but the copyright protection that the MPEG2 file in a DVD is wrapped in has a LOT of debacle surrounding it. Movie Producers don't want it to be easy for people to rip their movies and bootleg them easily... So the MPEG2 codec's developed also require code to decrypt the wrapper. These decryption techniques haven't been developed for Linux open source... as having it open source would allow everyone and their brother to see the secret decryption key they use! Not a good thing for Hollywood.

So that is the whole long drawn out bullshit process you have to go through to get the play back from it.

Free open codecs (like xvid) actually do come on the full-disc install for ubuntu (the DVD install disc).


Personally I like Ubuntu for a lot of features and security it has. But if you want to use it as more then a basic desktop/websurfing/email reading machine... get ready for some fun. A lot of things will require you to search through wiki's to locate ways of doing it.

A lot of software you might want is only distributed via Python source or similar. Like RUFUS torrent manager. So first you need to get the source, then apt-get the tools to compile python, then learn HOW to compile something (actually not that hard as long as the coder supplies the 'configure' file... luckily rufus does.

after all that to install requires you to actually open xterm, change directory to the folder you unpacked the source too, then run these commands.

sudo make ./configure

**alter any settings that the config file might ask you about**

sudo make ./install

for a Windows user this just might seem absurd and annoying.

Luckily most programs come as .dpkg's or .rpm's which just require a double click OR right click, menu, install.



OVER ALL, it's for either the dummy web-surfers, OR it's for techy nerds who don't mind sifting through ton's of wiki's.

racketboy wrote:Is application installation any simpler yet?
I'm a technical person, but that doesn't mean I want to have to run commands to install and app.
Until all the usability stuff gets to the level of Windows/MacOS, I'm probably going to sit it out.

For many of the reasons Mozgus mentions and related issues, it will probably be even longer before I'd put it on my main workstation. Maybe on older hardware with more limited application needs, but I'm pretty efficient in my Windows workspace and don't want to have to make sacrifices just to avoid Microsoft.
I went over some installation process's. For the MOST part, you should always just check the repositories for software. The most commonly wanted software is available in the repositories and you do it all through "Synaptic Installer Mangager" which is pretty straight forward and easy. The tool installs and deletes software simply.

Downside is seeing the actual list of program's you have installed takes some unneeded digging. Not as easy as ControlPanel/AddRemovePrograms like Windows offers.
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No, I'm still using Feisty Fawn. Can you believe I switched to Ubuntu just days before a new release? Why haven't I upgraded? Well, seeing the dozens and dozens of complaint threads on the forums, I figured I'd wait a bit...

I'm curious though, why use RUFUS torrent? Aren't there plenty of other easy to use torrent programs? Although I do get what you're saying. Already I've had to use the command line at least a dozen times, something very few Windows users would put up with. In Ubuntu's defense though, most times I just copied and pasted a command from some online doc. In fact, some people think (and I am inclined to agree) tutorials that use the command line are a lot easier than ones that try to help you navigate a gui. Since then all you have to do is copy and paste a few times, and press enter.

Your comment about "dummy web-surfers, OR it's for techy nerds" sounds familiar. In fact, I read a thread at the Ubuntu forums that said basically the same thing. The fact is, I don't really think I fit into either of those categories. Is there some kind of Cosmo-like test I can take to find out? :D
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Abras wrote:No, I'm still using Feisty Fawn. Can you believe I switched to Ubuntu just days before a new release? Why haven't I upgraded? Well, seeing the dozens and dozens of complaint threads on the forums, I figured I'd wait a bit...
There's threads like that all the time. Just get the new one. I found that it added some useful stuff without breaking anything else.
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Abras wrote:Your comment about "dummy web-surfers, OR it's for techy nerds" sounds familiar. In fact, I read a thread at the Ubuntu forums that said basically the same thing. The fact is, I don't really think I fit into either of those categories. Is there some kind of Cosmo-like test I can take to find out? :D
If you don't mind the wiki's and tutorials... techy nerd. You are willing to go out, read and learn all the new stuff you need to use your new OS. Normal people don't do that (seriousily, they won't... they'd just rather smash their head into computers and cry). Not saying you are some computer engineer who developes software for a living, you just don't mind hunting down techy answers to your techy problems.
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Mozgus wrote:
Abras wrote:No, I'm still using Feisty Fawn. Can you believe I switched to Ubuntu just days before a new release? Why haven't I upgraded? Well, seeing the dozens and dozens of complaint threads on the forums, I figured I'd wait a bit...
There's threads like that all the time. Just get the new one. I found that it added some useful stuff without breaking anything else.
the new one is technically "stable"

I run it on my laptop without any problems. they have gotten much better at installation and ease of use.
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I've used Linux and FreeBSD a ton of times, and its usually more hassle than whats its worth for anything other than embedded devices with limited use.

If you want to use something different and you want good user experience make a machine for Mac OS X. All the info you need is here, http://www.osx86project.org/ It's still just enough of a pain in the ass enough to feel like you did something, I did and I really like the machine I made.
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Yackom wrote:I've used Linux and FreeBSD a ton of times, and its usually more hassle than whats its worth for anything other than embedded devices with limited use.

If you want to use something different and you want good user experience make a machine for Mac OS X. All the info you need is here, http://www.osx86project.org/ It's still just enough of a pain in the ass enough to feel like you did something, I did and I really like the machine I made.
I looked into that a while back. How stable and reliable is it on non Apple hardware?
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