Why aren't shmups coming to PS3?

[noiseredux]

2011 brought Mamoru-kun, though that's more of a Pocky & Rocky style shooter. And finally Under Defeat HD is coming to PS3, but even still those are both staying in Japan. Now admittedly there are some shmups on PSN, but I am curious -- why the intense lack of them on PS3? It's just kind of odd to me that publishers putting them out just completely avoid the console altogether for this single genre. I mean PS1 and PS2 had really good shmup libraries. So what happened? I find it even more curious considering that the 360 is all but dead in Japna.

[brunoafh]

Cave is the only major shmup developer out there and they've sworn loyalty to the 360. I think that's pretty much it. It's just not a genre that's going to have many physical releases in this day and age, we're lucky there's even Cave.

[MrPopo]

Cave is the only major shmup developer out there and they've sworn loyalty to the 360. I think that's pretty much it. It's just not a genre that's going to have many physical releases in this day and age, we're lucky there's even Cave.

360 came out first. Microsoft gives incentives for Cave to publish games on the 360. Cave learns the 360 architecture. Cave is now unwilling to learn how to put games on the PS3.

[noiseredux]

Cave is the only major shmup developer out there and they've sworn loyalty to the 360. I think that's pretty much it. It's just not a genre that's going to have many physical releases in this day and age, we're lucky there's even Cave.

yeah. So what happened with Cave? I mean, they had PS1 and PS2 releases, so why the snub this generation?

[noiseredux]

360 came out first. Microsoft gives incentives for Cave to publish games on the 360. Cave learns the 360 architecture. Cave is now unwilling to learn how to put games on the PS3.

a guess, or you read/heard that somewhere?

[dsheinem]

I think the devotion of those to the genre works to support this as well. Shmup fans happily pay premiums for ganes, and Cave, etc. know they can sell small print runs at high prices without worrying about market saturation, price cuts, etc. In other words they know fans will pay for a 360 and full price for the game, and that exclusivity helps perpetuate the profits...

[noiseredux]

I think the devotion of those to the genre works to support this as well. Shmup fans happily pay premiums for ganes, and Cave, etc. know they can sell small print runs at high prices without worrying about market saturation, price cuts, etc. In other words they know fans will pay for a 360 and full price for the game, and that exclusivity helps perpetuate the profits...

I don't know if I get what you mean. If they put it on PS3 and made an LE, I would buy it. And others would to. Or are you saying that they figure most shmup fans will just buy whatever the fuck Cave tells them to?

[brunoafh]

I don't know if I get what you mean. If they put it on PS3 and made an LE, I would buy it. And others would to. Or are you saying that they figure most shmup fans will just buy whatever the fuck Cave tells them to?

The sticking point is that higher-ups at Cave have gone on record saying that they're going to stay with the 360 for the rest of this gen due to fan loyalty, but more realistically probably due to what MrPopo was getting at.

[ZenErik]

Do we know whether the Sony's requirement for PS3 games to be widescreen for retail releases is true or not?

[brunoafh]

The sticking point is that higher-ups at Cave have gone on record saying that they're going to stay with the 360 for the rest of this gen due to fan loyalty, but more realistically probably due to what MrPopo was getting at.

And whilst looking for that interview I mentioned where a Cave guy said they were going to stick with the 360, I found this instead:

http://andriasang.com/comziw/asada_360_multi/