Japanese trolls are just as stupid as American trolls.

[Mozgus]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/import-multi_t ... 280004.php

My favorite point:

"Foreigners are satisfied only with killing. Japanese are not that stupid."

You're right. We're too stupid to appreciate all your wack-off date simulators.

[durkada]

Yeah, there were some good ones. I really like the "do do do" comments, which get explained two thirds down.

Otherwise, there are alot of things with which to agree. I, too, hate turning the damn thing on simply because it is such a loud beast. Too many of the games are just shooting and killing, and sports... I would think where the XBOX would shine with Japan is the content on XBOX live -- but, thats not necessarily a system seller, eh? I'm sure I'm missing some games, but the most original title for the XBOX -- at least on disc -- seems to be Viva Pinata. Sony, at least, has some quirky titles in its forthcoming roster.

[Mozgus]

I'm certainly not defending the 360. You don't see me buying one. But some of these comments are so far fetched it seems like they only have one true fault with the machine; it's from America.

[Gamerforlife]

Funny you mention Viva Pinata. It's the ONLY reason I don't regret buying a 360. Well that, and the TMNT arcade download, though that only serves to remind me of the TONS of great arcade classics that AREN'T being released on the Xbox Live Arcade service.

I agree with a lot of the things said by those Japanese gamers. Frankly, the 360 is annoying me for mostly the same reasons the original Xbox did, and it's only because the folks at Sony have completely lost their minds that the 360 is enjoying so much success. I mean seriously, with Sony's built in fanbase, fantastic first party and third party exclusives, and international appeal, the PS 3 could have EASILY been a success, but they went and decided to make the thing ridiculously expensive so they can try and sell us on a Blue Ray player instead of a video game console. That may have worked with the PS 2 in Japan, but the PS 3 is more expensive than that was and Blue Ray hasn't exactly caught on with the masses. Also doesn't help that they had ZERO quality launch titles and not enough supply to meet the demand(especially embarrassing considering the relatively small number of people who actually opted to buy one at launch)

Meanwhile, Nintendo seems more interested in selling me some kind of gimmicky, exercise machine that will appeal to non-gamers instead a real gaming consoles FOR gamers. Oh, and real clever releasing Zelda: TP on the Wii and delaying the Gamecube release. Thus, showing how much they don't care about Gamecube owners and fooling many people into thinking that Zelda:TP is a WII exclusive, when it was actually a last-gen game with gimmicky new controls. When your brand new system's biggest seller is a LAST GEN game from your old system, that's LAME.

This is why I retro game so much these days. The modern consoles are ALL dissapointing. I miss you Dreamcast, you were the best. Your life ended too soon. I'd give anything to bring Sega back into the console wars.

[durkada]

To digress further from the topic...

So long as Nintendo can maintain third party support, it will probably have some good/great gamer games. For my own part, I've always preferred smaller/arcadish/party games, and the Wii fits that bill nicely. It may not be significantly better than a gamecube on the surface, but I have had an immense amount of fun with the thing. But, I suspect, if they don't get past the Wii as a gimmick, it will lose the base it quickly built. Somehow, I don't see Mario-this and Mario-that selling particularly well with all those casual gamers. And if XBOX or PS3 ever build a device that improves upon the Wiimote...

Viva Pinata is a superb little game -- and I wish there were more inspired games coming to that console. Unfortunately, my biggest gripe about the XBOX -- of which I have many -- is that the majority of its titles are complete rehash. While racers, shooters, etc, may all benefit greatly from the next generation hardware -- they are still, basically, the same shit in a prettier package. The best, most unique things are appearing in the Arcade -- and, I think, they happen to be puzzlers.

Sony, I hope, will become the next Sega with the PS3. The one thing that made Sega great, in my mine, is that they had talented people who pitched great ideas for their own platform. Sega had to continually produce first party titles to keep their consumer base happy. The very need to produce a quanity of titles, means your weird, unique ideas are more likely to get green lit. Sony, with the PS1 and PS2, seemed to do much the same but to a lesser degree. Or perhaps all those strange and compelling first party titles were overshadowed by the majority of high profile games? Regardless, I really expect to see the great games appear on PS3... Little Big Planet could be the first of many superb games.

Meanwhile, XBOX has more than enough games to keep me from regretting the purchase. I still want to finish Kameo and Dead Rising, while the Live Arcade is filled with superb titles.

[racketboy]

Funny you mention Viva Pinata. It's the ONLY reason I don't regret buying a 360. Well that, and the TMNT arcade download, though that only serves to remind me of the TONS of great arcade classics that AREN'T being released on the Xbox Live Arcade service.

I agree with a lot of the things said by those Japanese gamers. Frankly, the 360 is annoying me for mostly the same reasons the original Xbox did, and it's only because the folks at Sony have completely lost their minds that the 360 is enjoying so much success. I mean seriously, with Sony's built in fanbase, fantastic first party and third party exclusives, and international appeal, the PS 3 could have EASILY been a success, but they went and decided to make the thing ridiculously expensive so they can try and sell us on a Blue Ray player instead of a video game console. That may have worked with the PS 2 in Japan, but the PS 3 is more expensive than that was and Blue Ray hasn't exactly caught on with the masses. Also doesn't help that they had ZERO quality launch titles and not enough supply to meet the demand(especially embarrassing considering the relatively small number of people who actually opted to buy one at launch)

Meanwhile, Nintendo seems more interested in selling me some kind of gimmicky, exercise machine that will appeal to non-gamers instead a real gaming consoles FOR gamers. Oh, and real clever releasing Zelda: TP on the Wii and delaying the Gamecube release. Thus, showing how much they don't care about Gamecube owners and fooling many people into thinking that Zelda:TP is a WII exclusive, when it was actually a last-gen game with gimmicky new controls. When your brand new system's biggest seller is a LAST GEN game from your old system, that's LAME.

This is why I retro game so much these days. The modern consoles are ALL dissapointing. I miss you Dreamcast, you were the best. Your life ended too soon. I'd give anything to bring Sega back into the console wars.

Even though I think the Wii has some potential that hasn't been met yet (much like the DS did a couple of years ago), I have to agree with everything you just said

[Gamerforlife]

Don't get me wrong, just about every Nintendo console, except maybe the Virtual Boy, had some killer games with no peer to this day so I think the Wii has all the potential in the world. I just think there are some hurdles they'll need to clear.

Right now, it doesn't seem like there are enough games that show what makes the unique control style special. I want to see more and more games being put out that clearly could not possibly be played with a standard controller. Otherwise, it's just a gimmick. I hear people talk about what a huge difference the Wii controls make in a game like Zelda, but I played the Gamecube version and it played like a dream. I didn't even have problems aiming, which seems to be the common argument people use for the Wii version over the Gamecube one. Elebits looks like a fun game, but from what I have seen it looks very similar to a ligh gun game. You point at the screen and shoot stuff. We've seen this sort of thing prior to the Wii. That samurai game they had at launch seemed like a game that should have shown why the Wii's controls are special, but the reviews were not very kind.

I'm also hearing that some third party companies are just ignoring the whole motion control thing and are going to put out games with standard controls.

Show us that your system is not just a gimmick Nintendo!

Secondly, I hear a lot of problems with the virtual console. Lack of support for the rumble pack and game saves is a pretty big problem. Though frankly, this doesn't matter much to me given that I prefer collecting the original games anyway, and I've got my old N64 and S-NES still hooked up(I'd hooked up my old Nintendo too if I could just find room for it). Even so, if you can't get the full experience while playing these games on the Virtual Console, it makes the whole thing rather pointless. I'll say this though, it's nice to see many non-Nintendo games on the VC(particularly the PC Engine stuff). A lot of people never had a Turbo 16 or PC Engine, so it's cool of Nintendo to think of that. If they actually bring Sin and Punishment over then I will be very impressed with the VC.

I'm glad someone mentioned Sony's first party titles. I think they were some of the best games on the PS 2. I even think some of them were more impressive in some respects than some of Nintendo's in-house stuff. I believe Ico, Mark of Kri, Shadow of the Colossus and God of War are first party games. They are all fantastic. These are the kind of games the PS 3 NEEDS right now. And as already pointed out, the 360 is a bit short on original titles so these kinds of games could make a real impact for Sony. Litte Big Planet looks great and seems to have that same kind of charm that Viva Pinata has.

Anyway, I want to see more from all three of the big companies. Nintendo and Microsoft have some things down, but I still am expecting more from them and Sony really needs to get off life support and remind us why they dominated for the past few years.

[The Apprentice]

But some of these comments are so far fetched it seems like they only have one true fault with the machine; it's from America.

So true. In history US machines are totally rejected in Japan for various reasons, but it seems like they don't want anything to do with a machine that wasn't manufactured right down the street. But I think the 360 still has a chance with the PS3 on it's way out.