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I'm putting together an all in one set up where old meets new and it is all in one room so I don't have to go elsewhere to game. Also a goal with this set up is to get the best image that is reasonably possible from each source. I say reasonably because I have to keep it cheap and it shouldn't require too much work to accomplish. I thought I'd start a thread to show what I'm doing, create a place to dump info I come across for reference, and maybe get some help with some of the problems I am encountering.

Last weekend I picked up my NEC XM29 Plus monitor finally. I also stopped off at Ikea and picked up some new furniture so I could get everything set up on the cheap. My goal was to have some place to put all of my consoles, the NEC, and my HDTV. Its a little messy because I just got everything set up but his is the result:

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Hooked up to the NEC Monitor:

The SNES is hooked up via S-video. The Dreamcast is hooked up via a vga box a friend gave me and then vga to 5-BNC cable(shout out to Hobie for the cable). Games that utilize VGA look really good with the VGA box. I was surprised even though I had read quite a bit about the results. However 240p games such as Street fighter 3 look a bit pixelated but more on that later.

Hooked up to the HDTV:

The PS2 is currently hooked up via component cables until I finish God of War 2. The PS3 is also hooked up via component in 720p. I don't have any DLC retro games on the PS3 and mostly use the PS3 as a media center using PS3 Media Server.




To do list or the long list of boring technical ramblings:

Playstation 2:

My main priority is to figure out the best route for getting the cleanest image out of the PS2 on the NEC. The route I'm most interested in is detailed in the forcing 480i games into 240p section here. Routing the PS2 through a scan converter to get a nice 240p image sounds appealing. I know it will look nice on shmups which is what I'm primarily playing however I have no idea how that affects non-2D games. Will they look good with scanlines in 240p as well?

Also it is stated in that guide that the PS2 needs to be run through an upscaler first. He only mentions the XRGB (too expensive) and the Hori Upscaler 2 (not around anymore). I'm guessing the reason it needs to be upscaled is because the PS2 outputs 480i 15khz with sync on green and a scan converter only takes 31khz and no sync on green. The biggest problem is the lack of a clear way to get a VGA cable for the PS2. You can make your own with an LM1881 to strip out the sync on green or without (in which case you could feed it into something that will strip the sync information off the green). I have very limited soldering experience so that would take quite a bit of time but may be fun. I am trying to figure if any of the following would be suitable as an upscaler or in place of one:

An XCM 1080p Mega-Cool VGA Box:Takes a component signal and outputs VGA presumably stripping the sync info.

An HD Box Pro: Same as above

However there are varying reports as to the quality of the outputs from these two units. I'm not that picky I just want to achieve a solid image at 240p and having to deal with all this sync stripping really fouls everything up.

Lastly I was looking at this computer interface because I had read somewhere that it will strip the sync information. However it takes VGA input which brings me back to square one with the PS2.

That whole mess leads me to the scan converter which requires a 31khz vga input. Once I have all that figure out I would output the signal from what looks like RGBs. However my monitor is RGBHV so I'm not sure how the conversion works there. Maybe its a simple as 4-BNC to 5-BNC.

Alternatively I could scrap that whole mess and just get a Playstation 2 S-video cable and call it a day.


Dreamcast

Nothing needs to be done unless I get the scan converter in which case I could feed the Dreamcast's VGA into it and output at 240p. Sounds like fun but like the PS2 I'm not sure how much benefit games like Ikaruga would benefit from being forced into this mode since they look great at 480i.


SNES

Do a bit more research on getting RGB output from the model 1 SNES. SCART to VGA/RGB would be easiest for me since my monitor can handle NTSC and PAL signals.


PC

I want to build a cheap PC to run emulators, game, and maybe even play movies. I believe the scan converter would allow me to do this with ease flipping back and forth between 240p and 480i? Otherwise I will have to look at maybe an ArcadeVGA or other methods.

If you read this far thanks for having a look and if you have any tips for how to get things done please let me know. I'll update this post as I get more done.



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Glad the BNC cable is getting used instead of sitting in a box here. Looks good so far. :)
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I should also mention I tried to rotate the monitor and it didn't happen lol. Thats why I put a towel under it. Thing weighs 100 pounds so I don't know how people flip it back and forth all the time. It's going to happen once I get the PS2 connected. I got an S-video cable coming in so I can at least get the PS2 going until I figure out a fancier solution.
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how are you liking the xm29 so far? that thing is a beast..did you have to go out of state to get it?

as far as the pc is concerned...have you looked into soft15khz? that's what I use and it works great, it's definitely a cheaper alternative to the arcadevga since it works with many cheap video cards. I use a cheapo ati card in mine. I couldn't get any of my nvidia cards to work with it though.
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cyborc wrote:how are you liking the xm29 so far? that thing is a beast..did you have to go out of state to get it?

as far as the pc is concerned...have you looked into soft15khz? that's what I use and it works great, it's definitely a cheaper alternative to the arcadevga since it works with many cheap video cards. I use a cheapo ati card in mine. I couldn't get any of my nvidia cards to work with it though.

I got it in Texas. Not much for sale around here. Its working really great so far. Once I messed with the settings the colors really pop even with just an S-video cable. Sometimes it emits a high pitched whine at 15khz witht he SNES but other than that no problems.

I will try soft 15khz once I find an old PC. I figure a fast P4 or a cheap Core 2 Duo should do the trick. I only really want to play emulators and doujin shmups which would look good at that resolution too. I have an old Nvidia 8600GTS so maybe it won't work with it.
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Shogun wrote:

I got it in Texas. Not much for sale around here.
yeah you're definitely right about that, I had to get my pvm off ebay, though I saw someone in okc selling a pvm on cragislist recently but it only had composite and maybe s-vid I dont remember.


I tried a 6600gt and an 8800gt and I couldn't get soft15khz to work. I use this ati card and it works great
I use a vga to scart cable but a straight vga to vga or vga to bnc should work too.
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cyborc wrote:
I tried a 6600gt and an 8800gt and I couldn't get soft15khz to work. I use this ati card and it works great
I use a vga to scart cable but a straight vga to vga or vga to bnc should work too.
Whoa thats cheap as hell. I guess most emulators are running off the CPU? A card that cheap will work fine with everything?
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yeah, when it comes to mame the cpu and ram are more important than your video card.

the card works great with all of the emulators i've tried. it probably wouldn't be so good for more modern games but I only use this particular pc for mame and other emulators.
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Added SNES photo. Most of my stuff is in containers or drawers so I'll add more pics when I get time to lay them out and take more photos.
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