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Showing the PC some love!

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Come on you know you want to. :wink:

I know there is a heavy console bias here but it wasn't really brought to my attention until Int brought it up in an RPG thread and it made me think about it.

Maybe everyone here was too cheap or finicky for PC gaming in it's hayday? Or maybe no one really likes PC games too much. I dunno these are just wild notions at best, I figured it would be cool to start a PC gaming thread up or give the PC some attention because it's part of retro gaming as well, yet it barely gets any props at all, actually it seems like it's gotten none.

So come on I say. Lets share experiences, opinions, stories, fanboy wars, anything that has to do with PC gaming. 8)
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To this day some of my favorite games are by Sierra and Lucasarts. I was a sucker for point and click adventures and if they'd still made good ones I probably still would be. And very rarely can I stand a FPS on a console. The controls are just all wrong.

That said, though, I always liked console RPGs(Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest) better than PC RPGs(Elder Scrolls/Ultima). And I outright refuse to pay a monthly fee to play a video game, so the current PC gaming trend is right out for me.

So while the PC gaming market has no doubt seen better days I still pay attention to what's out there.
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Perseid wrote:And very rarely can I stand a FPS on a console. The controls are just all wrong.
Lol, someone is in the minority! :P Why do say this? I just find it interesting as most peeps seem to enjoy the mouse and keyboard combo much more for it's accuracy and ease of use (or I guess what they think, since you prolly don't find it that way).
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metaleggman wrote:
Perseid wrote:And very rarely can I stand a FPS on a console. The controls are just all wrong.
Lol, someone is in the minority! :P Why do say this? I just find it interesting as most peeps seem to enjoy the mouse and keyboard combo much more for it's accuracy and ease of use (or I guess what they think, since you prolly don't find it that way).
No. I mean I rarely like a FPS on a console. I prefer them on the PC for the exact reason you gave. Sorry if I was confusing. :)
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Perseid wrote:
metaleggman wrote:
Perseid wrote:And very rarely can I stand a FPS on a console. The controls are just all wrong.
Lol, someone is in the minority! :P Why do say this? I just find it interesting as most peeps seem to enjoy the mouse and keyboard combo much more for it's accuracy and ease of use (or I guess what they think, since you prolly don't find it that way).
No. I mean I rarely like a FPS on a console. I prefer them on the PC for the exact reason you gave. Sorry if I was confusing. :)
Lol, that makes sense then. Honestly, with the exception of Time Splitters or Metroid Prime (somewhat), I'd have to agree entirely. I think once the wii's developers get their asses in gear and make a great FPS (I think Medal of Honor: Vanguard may be the first), then this position for quite a few people could change. Let's just hope. :D
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Hey, hey! My kind of topic! :lol:

I don't even know when or how to start. So I'll just try to think of a feeling or emotion and type out what PC game best suits it and how.

AWE
There's been a great number of oohs and ahhs throughout my PC gaming experience from launching a Death's Head in Scorched Earth to, say, first setting foot on Vvardenfell. But what takes the cake? Perhaps most poignant for me involved Quake II. Before that, I was messing online on Mplayer, eager to play Aliens versus Predator with a few friends. I'd soon find out that I couldn't play the game because my (new) computer didn't have a video card. Instead we came across Quake and found out that we could play the Quake demo online together which we did numerous times.

Soon enough we all decided to get Quake 2 (1997). Since I had no video card, I was playing the game in software mode 300x400 which I thought was fine at the time. I decided to get a Voodoo 3 3000 so I could finally have a video card and be able to play some AvP as well, but I remember Quake 2 being the very first thing I tried it on. Needless to say, going from 300x400 software rendered to 3Dfx's 800x600 rendering may indeed be the best graphics advancement I've undergone, and I remember dragging everyone within a 100-foot radius to come take a look at it.

APPREHENSION
This seems to be a harder feeling to pull off in games as it requires a good amount of immersion to pull it off truly well. And what better place to look for immersive PC games than Looking Glass Studios? LGS itself has a couple of candidates, but for the sake of brevity I'm just going to pick Thief Gold (1999) and The Metal Age (2000). Both of the first two Thief games are perhaps the most immersive experiences that I've come across for any gaming platform. Here's a game where you'd actually be holding your breath as guards walked by you or when you were making a critical kill/knock-out on someone from behind. The sensitivity of Garrett's thieving missions really became my own and, subsequently, so did all the apprehensions of his profession.

FEAR
Somewhat recently I sat down and played through Resident Evil 4 for the first time at the behest of a friend and the amazing amount of praise it got. I heard a lot of people calling this the scariest game they've ever played as well. And while I can't help but feel it was a fun experience, I don't think it ever scared me. Gruesome, sure. Horror, yes. But scariest? That title still (easily) belongs to System Shock 2 (1999). Fear takes a lot of immersion to be effective as well, and RE4 never really immersed me--it was more that I was just watching/playing Leon and not being him. System Shock 2, another Looking Glass game, is truly maddeningly terrifying. I'm not talking about monsters jumping out of walls making loud noises, I'm talking about a suffocating web of fear and paranoia enveloping the entire Von Braun starship...

You had mutated hybrid-humans, the former Von Braun crew, who would walk around the ship talking/screaming/mumbling amongst themself(ves) until they saw you--then they'd scream quasi-human pleas of "Kill me!" and "I'm sorry!" in between them trying to bash your face in with a wrench or whatever else they were wielding. There are a ton of haunting audio logs and emails that detail the ship's descent into dementia: "Last night I had the strangest dream. I was in my room by myself, but all of a sudden it was not just me there but a hundred me's--a thousand me's. The strange thing was it felt good. I felt like I was part of something... like I belong. I hope I have the same dream tonight." Or logs with crew members wondering why some guy had sent for all the female nurses to gather on a certain deck--and the haunting experiments that ensued. And that's really just the tip of the iceberg.

If you manage to get through the game without ever turning 180 degrees and seeing a cyborg assassin right on top of you, consider yourself lucky. For you just saved yourself a good chunk of time and money by not having to buy new pants.

SHOCK
By shock I'm talking about scariest moment, and though System Shock 2 is my scariest game, my scariest moment actually came from Thief Gold. It's also pretty humorous at the same time. Anyhow, at the time I had a 56k connection and also had a download accelerator/resumer called Go!Zilla. I don't know if anyone else has ever used GoZilla, but whenever a download finished it would play a nice, loud Godzilla-roaring sound and I had the program set to disconnect from the net after the download finished. In the meantime I'm playing through Thief Gold, cautiously sneaking around in the Haunted Cathedral mission where you're walking through the debris to get to the cathedral.

There's one part in the mission where you drop down into a pitch black series of rooms that are now buried underground and in these rooms a flaming spirit (basically a patrolling Hammerite except their body is consumed in flames) is walking around. I remember pelting away at him with arrows and retreating and generally wearing him down and then I finally dropped back down for the coup de grace. I loaded up a water arrow and shot him square in the back. He turned and seemed to be looking straight at me, but didn't do anything. He just stood there. I remember loading up another water arrow to sort of zoom in on him to try and see what he was doing. I leaned in towards the monitor a bit for an even better look, and sat there for a while just watching him watch me--everything strangely at a standstill. And then, in the blink of an eye, the game super-fast-forwarded. The spirit ran straight at me--right through me (they run away and disappear when you "kill" them)--in the span of a half-second. At the very same time GoZilla, which was running in the background, finished downloading and let off an amazingly loud roar. I slammed back into my chair with my hands raised up in front of me and everything. I couldn't play the game again the entire day.

I eventually realized that the game sorta "paused" while GoZilla was disconnecting my modem and caused it to sort of hang for a moment. As if to get caught back up to real time, the game ran what had happened during the pause in super-fast-forward while GoZilla roared. It was truly incredibly scary and I've already retired that moment as the scariest single thing that's happened to me in a game--I don't think anything will be topping that for a long, long time if ever.

Well, there's a few gaming memories and moments at least. I'll try and post some more when I find more time.
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Great post Intagir. I agree with you on RE4, though whoever told you it was scary had to be new to the series, or very easy to scare. They've obviously never played the older RE games or a step further, Silent Hill.

I've never played a System Shock of any type but I'd like to.

Most of my PC gaming memories lie within Warcraft, Point and Click adventure games, and various other RTS and FPS games. I would have to give props to Warcraft: Orcs and Humans for getting me into playing PC games. I played the HELL out of that game when I was younger and loved every second of it.

Diablo, Red Alert, Myst, Warcraft II, Wolfenstien 3D, Duke Nukem II (The old shareware days were so awesome) and Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis really made me stick with the PC after that.

I suppose I'll make a post similar to yours because it seems like an awesome theme for the thread. :lol:
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Home computing and later PC gaming is very underrated nowadays. Back in the day, home computers (sort of glorified consoles, in a way) were very good and often better at gaming than consoles, even for stuff like arcade ports; and then they had mouse support for other sort of games. After PCs became more widespread, the likes of the C64, Atari STs and Amigas were sort of redundant.

Still, for those that were PC gamers back then, you know all about autoexec.bat and config.sys juggling to get closer to those elusive system requirements in terms of cache memory; or incompatibilities with graphic cards etc.

There's a bunch of unique stuff that just doesn't go to consoles and is really worth it; similarly there are many amazing console games that don't ever get ported (although many of the huge ones do get ported, clearly not all of them do). In any case, I'm mostly a computer/PC gamer, although I really appreciate the consoles.

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Zork wrote:I agree with you on RE4, though whoever told you it was scary had to be new to the series, or very easy to scare. They've obviously never played the older RE games or a step further, Silent Hill.
I remember Resident Evil 2 being scary at times and probably some of the first one--I have trouble keeping them apart nowadays, they're all one big game to me anymore. I never got into the Silent Hill games for whatever reason, although it's probably the fact that I don't get in the mood for horror games very often and Resident Evil filled those moments when I had them. I remember playing the beginning of SH2 on the PC for a brief time, but didn't play much of it. One of these days I'll make sure and try them for real.

Definitely make sure to play through System Shock 2. It's quite well-regarded and is even on GameSpot's Greatest Games of All Time list (with Planescape: Torment, Thief, Fallout, Grim Fandango, etc). However, nowadays, there are a few things to know about it before you venture off into the Von Braun. First and foremost is getting it running under Windows XP can take some finesse, but luckily most all of that is covered in FAQs like this one. The other thing is that it pays to research the new content available for the game. There are a wealth of game-enhancing patches and mods that improve just about all aspects of the game. At the minimum, you'll probably want to check out "Rebirth" for the improved models and "SHTUP" for the improved textures. I recently replayed SS2 last year with these two mods and a few others and the experience was even better than I had remembered it. A good place to look for these or any other mods or fansites is the Wikipedia entry under Patches/Modifications and External Links.

Some more PC moments for me:

HUMOR
Speaking of old point and click adventure games... It's hard to determine which PC game was the funniest for me. Sam and Max: Hit the Road is up there, Day of the Tentacle, and Grim Fandango (to name just a few LucasArts titles) all had their fair share of humorous moments for me. Anachronox (2001) deserves to be mentioned as well--I still crack a smile when I remember that the currency of the future is the Canadian looney. Or some of the off-the-wall moments like "I'll fling myself down there for a buck!", the "Emergency Parole Button" scenario, or the game's funny satirization on the genre (know how some linear RPGs will prevent you from accessing a future area and give an annoying and/or stupid reason why? Anachronox realizes it and takes it to a new level). Good times.

Another truly funny and enjoyable PC title that beckons attention was Giants: Citizen Kabuto (2000). Here's one moment from a ton of other great cutscenes.

THRILL
Most of the most adrenaline-rush type moments I've had in PC gaming--well, gaming overall--came from multiplayer games. There are a number of worthy candidates, but the one that gave me the most thrills were from Natural Selection (2002-present) which is a mod for Half-Life. It was/is an RTS-FPS game that I used to play quite often when it came out. Basically one team are the aliens and the other team are the marines. The purpose of the game, then, is to wipe out the other team. The RTS element was you could build structures, gather resources, and the commander for the marines had a top-down RTS view of the game where he could better control and organize his team.

As for the thrill... Well, long story short, there were numerous times when our base was being destroyed and when things looked over for the marines. Sometimes in a last resort I'd get a jetpack and an HMG/Shotgun and go try to destroy the alien hive(s) by myself. Ahh... To be going for the last hive, the sole survivor of your team with all of your teammates on the sidelines (dead, unable to respawn) rooting you on and screaming hysterically on voice-comm while you're frantically jetpacking over/up/around/under the enemy hive to avoid all manner of aliens trying to kill you and then finally destroying it just before a skulk or lerk finally takes you down--priceless. I had quite a few close moments like that in NS and remember not being able to hold my hands up in front of me without them shaking from all the adrenaline.
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Post by All Hail The New Flesh »

Just recently, I've been playing with the DosBox emulator, I've got to say that it is one of the best emulators ever to exist. I get to play some of my old Dos games on my mac, games like Myst, Under A Killing Moon (includes James Earl Jones' voice work), and Commander Keen.

I have never felt so nostalgic for playing all those games that I used to play with my Dos, and I thought I would never play these games again :D especially that I have a mac
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