Bungie cuts off Destiny owners from existing content for DLC

[fastbilly1]

[ Therefore you were really only paying full price for four new units that were late game and limited in their versatility along with a bunch of content that could be found for free on the Internet.

Battle Tactics was not a full price title. It was $20 or $30 depending on the store - I bought my copy for $20 at Bestbuy.

So $5 a unit with a bunch of maps you could basically find for free online.

And now for the price of one unit, you get all three titles!

The big thing that Battle Tactics did was change the dynamic of the missions. It wasnt just build a base with limited resources and eradicate the enemy. There were several missions without commanders. But I agree with you, it was overpriced, under tested, and those four units were not even that great.

[brunoafh]

there have been a lot of games with expansion packs that hardly gave much in the way of new content.

Yes, of course. DLC vs PC expansion packs is not a black and white issue. Just look at the goofball situation with The Sims franchise. But I was specific with the expansion packs I mentioned for a reason, there is almost nothing in the way of DLC that provides as much content as some of those old expansion packs. Actual content too, not shat out map packs, time sensitive online content, a new weapon, re-skins, or horse armor. There never will be either, because nickel-and-diming people has proven to be very effective for developers. Artorias of the Abyss is the only recent thing that comes to mind as a full blown expansion pack worth paying for.

Third-party expansion packs being terrible and a waste of money is pretty much a different issue though, like in the case of Duke Nukem 3D there. I think the Atomic Edition/Plutonium Pack content is the only stuff that was actually developed by 3D Realms, and it's excellent as far as FPS expansions go.

DLC in fighting games is probably a better example of how the delivering of new content has changed in terms of today versus yesterday. In older games, you unlock hidden costumes/color schemes and characters as you play. New characters are introduced in the next game. Now, you are sold the game with a portion of the roster locked and expected to pay for the rest and any new costumes/colors, and then buy the next game on top of it, where the cycle will be repeated. It is utterly ridiculous and the concept would have blown our minds in 1995, but now, it is just a given and you are an asshole if you have a problem with it.

seemed completely out of place for the specific arguments being made in this thread and for the general tenor of debate that we've had around here forever.

A quick google search for "rape" used on the forums gives like 20 pages of people comparing the term to being killed in a video game or ripped off in a far more direct manner than either myself or Tanooki did, without consequence or hilarious condescending lectures. Many of said posts are from moderators and respected regulars as well.

MrPopo doesn't seem to mind ass-rape jokes being made as long as he agrees with the poster for example:
http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 01#p381701

[Hobie-wan]

seemed completely out of place for the specific arguments being made in this thread and for the general tenor of debate that we've had around here forever.

A quick google search for "rape" used on the forums gives like 20 pages of people comparing the term to being killed in a video game or ripped off in a far more direct manner than either myself or Tanooki did, without consequence or hilarious condescending lectures. Many of said posts are from moderators and respected regulars as well.

MrPopo doesn't seem to mind ass-rape jokes being made as long as he agrees with the poster for example:
http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 01#p381701

Fair enough. Several people can learn to be more sensitive. I specifically brought up my different example where I'm trying cut something insensitive out of my behavior because I know I'm not perfect and can do better. Perhaps people got worked up about it in this thread because tensions were already high.

Did anyone else go on for several posts defending their decision to make rape jokes though? If you were to ask those you say you know have been affected by rape, would they cheer you on and encourage you to keep making them? If you had not fought back for your right to be what several others felt was offensive or had said something like "yeah that probably wasn't cool, sorry", then things would be different.

[Ack]

there have been a lot of games with expansion packs that hardly gave much in the way of new content.

Yes, of course. DLC vs PC expansion packs is not a black and white issue. Just look at the goofball situation with The Sims franchise. But I was specific with the expansion packs I mentioned for a reason, there is almost nothing in the way of DLC that provides as much content as some of those old expansion packs. Actual content too, not shat out map packs, time sensitive online content, a new weapon, re-skins, or horse armor. There never will be either, because nickel-and-diming people has proven to be very effective for developers. Artorias of the Abyss is the only recent thing that comes to mind as a full blown expansion pack worth paying for.

Third-party expansion packs being terrible and a waste of money is pretty much a different issue though, like in the case of Duke Nukem 3D there. I think the Atomic Edition/Plutonium Pack content is the only stuff that was actually developed by 3D Realms, and it's excellent as far as FPS expansions go.

DLC in fighting games is probably a better example of how the delivering of new content has changed in terms of today versus yesterday. In older games, you unlock hidden costumes/color schemes and characters as you play. New characters are introduced in the next game. Now, you are sold the game with a portion of the roster locked and expected to pay for the rest and any new costumes/colors, and then buy the next game on top of it, where the cycle will be repeated. It is utterly ridiculous and the concept would have blown our minds in 1995, but now, it is just a given and you are an asshole if you have a problem with it.

True, but we still get the expansion pack equivalent of DLC too. Borderlands 2 has a good mix of both kinds: full on expansions such as Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon's Keep along with different heads and skins for various characters, to add to the already large offerings present in the game. The kind of big content you are talking about, almost to the point of being its own game, is still being offered, as are smaller packs reminiscent of the Redneck Rampage Cuss Pack I mentioned. The way I see it, all we're seeing is the continuing evolution of the idea. DLC is just the next step of exploring what can be done with expansion content and what is acceptable to consumers.

[BogusMeatFactory]

I am going to bring up the Sims 3 as a great example of DLC done right. You have two different options in terms of expansions. You have the full fledged game expansions which run at full retail, but come with enormous overhauls in how the game is played by adding world adventures and puzzles, the ability to have interactive jobs, adding a university location for your teens to live out college live in and more.

The second option is smaller priced item packs that consist entirely of clothes and furniture.

Not only that, but they did this over a span of 5 years and did so consistently and with a largely supported community. I don't understand why these sorts of packages couldn't be introduced on a console community? Is it that console gamers devour games more quickly, meaning that developers have to churn out fast, short bursts of content, or does it mean that the game was poorly planned in terms of content to begin with? This is one of those times when the hype machine was not in favor of Destiny's Longevity.

[Niode]

Not only that, but they did this over a span of 5 years and did so consistently and with a largely supported community. I don't understand why these sorts of packages couldn't be introduced on a console community? Is it that console gamers devour games more quickly, meaning that developers have to churn out fast, short bursts of content, or does it mean that the game was poorly planned in terms of content to begin with? This is one of those times when the hype machine was not in favor of Destiny's Longevity.

No it simply comes to down to the fact that mobile gaming has introduced the concept of micro-transactions to the great unwashed and they lap it up. Publishers have noticed this and foist numerous shitbits out for £1 a piece. If they didn't sell they wouldn't produce them. Is it any wonder that these things are usual reskins or completely superfluous content that would've taken any competent artist the best part of an hour to do. Instant return on investment. They make more profit off the DLC shit than they do off the game itself.