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Funk, E wrote:Marijuana actually has to burn at a HIGHER temperature than tobacco to even do anything to the smoker.

That's why i said it's not harmfull if you vaporize or eat it. Still when smoked (with burning fire) the fire temperature is high enough to be more harmfull.

Funk, E wrote:And it's not addictive, either, unless you're an idiot and mix it with something that is.

When did i say it makes addictive? I may have spoken about psychological addiction.

I hate this not addictive comment. Marijuana is psychologically addictive... and that's an ADDICTION. Just because it doesn't give you the sweats and physical pains that cocaine or the sort may give you does not mean it isn't addictive.

If you form a habit for something that is difficult to break... you are thusly addicted, by DEFINITION (the definition states by physical or psychological means).

And if you can't admit it's not addictive, I'll introduce you to thousands of people who go through "withdrawl" type symptoms that include:

desire to smoke again
headache
irritability
laziness/despair driven procrastination
confusion

The symptoms may be psychologically driven, but they are real none the less as they occur and inhibit a person.


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Here's a group of stoners who agree!
http://www.marijuanapassion.com/Marijua ... rawal.html

There hasn't been any scientific studies that say marijuana isn't addictive... but there have been tons that say it most likely is.

I will admit of all the drugs I quit it was nearly the easiest to ween myself off of. But there were a few I had an even easier time with:

xanax
hydrocodone / vicadin
LSD

for example. 2 of which are considered highly addictive. So just because you or I had a relatively simple task of weening off of it, does not denounce its addictiveness. ESPECIALLY those who still smoke... I love that one:

stoner: "Marijuana isn't addictive."
me: "ok, then quit."
stoner: "I can whenever I want."
me: "ok, then do it."
stoner: "well, ummm, I don't want too."
me: "k, you aren't supporting your theory very well."

two days later:
stoner: "ugh, dude, I need a bowl bad. I've been sober all day."


Any search around the internet will yield this:
pro-marijuana advocates stating it isn't addictive with 0 proof of it
pro-marijuana advocates stating it IS addictive with or with out proof
scientific studies stating it is addictive
nicotine propaganda ads trying to say marijuana is more addictive then nicotine... or on par (bahahaha, funny how these are always by Phillip Morris and the likes)
health institutes explaining the possible withdrawal symptoms of marijuana and contact info for establishments to help users

hrmm, it appears nearly all the science guru's and part of the stoner community all agree it is addictive.

lordofduct wrote:And if you can't admit it's not addictive, I'll introduce you to thousands of people who go through "withdrawl" type symptoms that include:

desire to smoke again
headache
irritability
laziness/despair driven procrastination
confusion

So I guess I've been suffering from pot withdrawals since birth.

Mozgus wrote:

lordofduct wrote:And if you can't admit it's not addictive, I'll introduce you to thousands of people who go through "withdrawl" type symptoms that include:

desire to smoke again
headache
irritability
laziness/despair driven procrastination
confusion

So I guess I've been suffering from pot withdrawals since birth.

lordofduct wrote:I hate this not addictive comment. Marijuana is psychologically addictive... and that's an ADDICTION. Just because it doesn't give you the sweats and physical pains that cocaine or the sort may give you does not mean it isn't addictive.

If you form a habit for something that is difficult to break... you are thusly addicted, by DEFINITION (the definition states by physical or psychological means).

And if you can't admit it's not addictive, I'll introduce you to thousands of people who go through "withdrawl" type symptoms that include:

desire to smoke again
headache
irritability
laziness/despair driven procrastination
confusion

The symptoms may be psychologically driven, but they are real none the less as they occur and inhibit a person.


[edit]
Here's a group of stoners who agree!
http://www.marijuanapassion.com/Marijua ... rawal.html

There hasn't been any scientific studies that say marijuana isn't addictive... but there have been tons that say it most likely is.

I will admit of all the drugs I quit it was nearly the easiest to ween myself off of. But there were a few I had an even easier time with:

xanax
hydrocodone / vicadin
LSD

for example. 2 of which are considered highly addictive. So just because you or I had a relatively simple task of weening off of it, does not denounce its addictiveness. ESPECIALLY those who still smoke... I love that one:

stoner: "Marijuana isn't addictive."
me: "ok, then quit."
stoner: "I can whenever I want."
me: "ok, then do it."
stoner: "well, ummm, I don't want too."
me: "k, you aren't supporting your theory very well."

two days later:
stoner: "ugh, dude, I need a bowl bad. I've been sober all day."


Any search around the internet will yield this:
pro-marijuana advocates stating it isn't addictive with 0 proof of it
pro-marijuana advocates stating it IS addictive with or with out proof
scientific studies stating it is addictive
nicotine propaganda ads trying to say marijuana is more addictive then nicotine... or on par (bahahaha, funny how these are always by Phillip Morris and the likes)
health institutes explaining the possible withdrawal symptoms of marijuana and contact info for establishments to help users

hrmm, it appears nearly all the science guru's and part of the stoner community all agree it is addictive.

Well said, except for your statement about cocaine, cause that's psychological addiction too. I know a guy who started smoking weed by the age of 8. He's now about 20 and he's been on therapy several times along with jail and he himself says he can und will never be able to live without it. And judging by his actions/lifestyle this seems to be true.

I know this is an extreme example because of the age (though some may not agree), but it's not far fetched. People start doing stuff way earlier than before and marijuana has a rather good image for a very psychoactive drug. There are many songs about getting or being high and in general you hear that many people did/do it and that it's not that bad after all.

See i myself did it for almost 10 years now (with pauses) and i had a very very hard time quitting. I have to deal with many psychological problems i gathered along the way along with many other sideffects of smoking. Sure i can imagine that there are people who can deal with it in a proper way (even though i didn't really overdo it and also never started smoking bongs or the like) but from my personal experience this is the minority.

I will admit that it has a SLIGHT psychological addiction. i have been smoking well over ten years, and i have never had problems stopping when i needed to (jobs, probation for assault). i will admit that i was a bit cranky for about 2 days after stopping, but it wasn't like it was hard and i was yearning for it or anything. i just like to smoke weed. i rarely drink, i prefer pot. I have no plans of ever permanently quitting, but i can and will take breaks when the situation arises. i quit for over 6 months when i was on probation, until they put me on mail in, where i didnt have to show up to see the probation officer again, only had to mail in a form every month and stay out of trouble. other than being a little moody for 24-48 hours i dint notice any effects from quitting and i've smoke daily for over a decade, other than when i took breaks.

ANYTHING can be psychologically addictive. I'm not sure how that's a bad point against marijuana in particular?

Funk, E wrote:ANYTHING can be psychologically addictive.

Just like my internet porn addiction. My junk is permenantly raw and my keyboard and mouse are all oily.

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And now for something completely different.

I didn't know they considered cocaine a psychological addiction. Hrmm... searching and yes they do. Weird... it felt more physical to me. Especially the vomiting with traces of blood.