Bungie cuts off Destiny owners from existing content for DLC

[BogusMeatFactory]

+1 to Hobie, and yes, I've used rape jokes previously in my youth (16-19) in the midst of having a bout during a game or something else. In the last 9 years though, once I was called out on it and said that out of the thousands of ways to convey that point, that I could use any one of those words to actually say what I meant. It's out of my vernacular now.

And for what it's worth, intent doesn't matter.

So yes, if you said, you totally raped me, and if you had no ill intent, I'd simply say, you're a smart guy, and I think you can articulate that point a little bit better than what you just did.

And a +1 to the both of you good sirs! It really boils down to thinking about what you say, how you say it and how both your actions and words affect the people around you. If you care about those around you, you would be considerate with your words.

I like the community and people here, so I make an effort to not offend people. If I do, it wasn't my intention and I make an honest attempt to be better as a person. It is common decency... something the internet needs more of.

[brunoafh]

Obviously different things have different cooling off periods than others, but a less severe example would be making jokes involving death around someone who had just lost a friend or family member and hadn't gotten over it yet.

What bothers me about this way of thinking is that it presumes some things are okay to make fun of, but others aren't. How is death less severe than rape or mental disability? Does it really even matter in the realm of harmless banter? Does it matter at all? If you are offended by a joke about Bowser's ass, it sounds like you are going out of your way to be offended.

I have two cousins that are severely retarded, but I can still laugh at the South Park special olympics episode without feeling like a degenerate. I have had deaths in the family, but I've never found myself telling someone to fuck off at a funeral for trying to make light of the situation. It's just a natural reaction. It has nothing to do with articulation ability or lack thereof. I have loved ones that have been victim to rape, but I have a pretty hard time batting an eye at some "Bill Cosby treatment" remark among a video game debate. I can't possibly be the only person in the world to be more or less indifferent to "tasteless" jokes.

Obsession with choosing words in an effort to not offend anyone and make certain subjects taboo sounds like nothing but unhealthy to me.

[BogusMeatFactory]

Obviously different things have different cooling off periods than others, but a less severe example would be making jokes involving death around someone who had just lost a friend or family member and hadn't gotten over it yet.

What bothers me about this way of thinking is that it presumes some things are okay to make fun of, but others aren't. How is death less severe than rape or mental disability? Does it really even matter in the realm of harmless banter? Does it matter at all? If you are offended by a joke about Bowser's ass, it sounds like you are going out of your way to be offended.

I have two cousins that are severely retarded, but I can still laugh at the South Park special olympics episode without feeling like a degenerate. I have had deaths in the family, but I've never found myself telling someone to fuck off at a funeral for trying to make light of the situation. It's just a natural reaction. It has nothing to do with articulation ability or lack thereof. I have loved ones that have been victim to rape, but I have a pretty hard time batting an eye at some "Bill Cosby treatment" remark among a video game debate. I can't possibly be the only person in the world to be more or less indifferent to "tasteless" jokes.

Obsession with choosing words in an effort to not offend anyone and make certain subjects taboo sounds like nothing but unhealthy to me.

Who said anything about obsessing? And your right. It is video games, they shouldn't be taken so seriously.

So why is everyone so upset about the original topic again?

[Hobie-wan]

Yes, obviously I'm going out of my way to be offended on someone else's behalf, just like others in this thread.

I enjoy a good game of Cards against Humanity. I sometimes laugh at horrible jokes in certain circumstances. I gave the example of using the word "retarded" to show that I'm not perfect, but I am trying to cut back. But you know what I don't do? I don't make rape jokes.

As I said, different things have different cooling off periods and operate on different levels. Would I make some sort of "Oh the humanity" joke despite the Hindenburg tragedy? Maybe. Would I tell a "Why did the chicken cross the road?" joke to someone who's pet was just found dead in the road last week? No. Would I make a joke at Hitler's expense about him dying in a horrible way? Sure. Would I make a holocaust joke? No.

Someone that told a rape joke might get a sort of uncomfortable laugh depending on the joke, but if they kept doing it I'd excuse myself and avoid them at the very least. For instance, Tosh is an unfunny dickhead.

Anyway.

[MrPopo]

I just view them like expansion packs, like StarCraft: Brood War, Total Annihilation: The Core Contingency and Total Annihilation: Battle Tactics, WarCraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal, Painkiller: Battle Out of Hell, Unreal: Return to Na Pali, Diablo: Hellfire, and so on.

That's a tough argument to make though when the content in question was developed and probably completed within the original development cycle and costs you about a quarter of what the game cost in the first place.

For console games there is an approximately 2-3 month period where the code is final but the game hasn't released yet, due to manufacturing and licensing signoff. That's when DLC gets developed. It's not being robbed from the main game.

Now, I think we can all agree that on-disc unlock code DLC is incredibly scummy, and that has certainly been borne out by popular reaction to such incidents.

I enjoy a good game of Cards against Humanity. I sometimes laugh at horrible jokes in certain circumstances. I gave the example of using the word "retarded" to show that I'm not perfect, but I am trying to cut back. But you know what I don't do? I don't make rape jokes.

I'd argue that ANYTHING can be funny with the right setup and delivery. The incident in question had neither.

[dsheinem]

I enjoy a good game of Cards against Humanity. I sometimes laugh at horrible jokes in certain circumstances. I gave the example of using the word "retarded" to show that I'm not perfect, but I am trying to cut back. But you know what I don't do? I don't make rape jokes.

I'd argue that ANYTHING can be funny with the right setup and delivery. The incident in question had neither.

I think so too. Most of my favorite comics are folks like Carlin and Pryor who don't give two fucks about "political correctness" and the like but also understand a hell of a lot about context, setup, etc. I tell off-color jokes myself with some frequency.

I guess what irritates me is that the "rape joke" in question in this thread was just a lazy one, a kind of casual, cheap, and deliberate reference to Cosby's alleged sexual assault that seemed completely out of place for the specific arguments being made in this thread and for the general tenor of debate that we've had around here forever.

[brunoafh]

I guess the next time I'm playing Mario, I will take the higher road and make a joke about Hitler piloting the Hindenburg while it explodes and kills dozens of people as I defeat Bowser instead of daring to cross the line with something that could be considered offensive.

[Ack]

I just view them like expansion packs, like StarCraft: Brood War, Total Annihilation: The Core Contingency and Total Annihilation: Battle Tactics, WarCraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal, Painkiller: Battle Out of Hell, Unreal: Return to Na Pali, Diablo: Hellfire, and so on.

That's a tough argument to make though when the content in question was developed and probably completed within the original development cycle and costs you about a quarter of what the game cost in the first place.

And I'm not saying Destiny is the only culprit of this practice. But this way of delivering "new" content feels very different from a full fledged expansion pack coming out a year later and offering the amount of new content that something like Brood War or Frozen Throne offers.

You'll also notice I haven't said anything one way or the other about Destiny. Hell, I've never even played it, so this isn't something I'm paying attention to.

But yes, some expansion packs feature content that was cut out or modified from the original game. But there have been a lot of games with expansion packs that hardly gave much in the way of new content. Total Annihilation: Battle Tactics comes to mind. It had four new units and 100 new levels, but this was effectively moot since most levels were extremely short and the expansion pack before it, Total Annihilation: The Core Contingency(released only two months before it), had been bundled with a map editor(Core Contingency also released only seven months after Total Annihilation). Therefore you were really only paying full price for four new units that were late game and limited in their versatility along with a bunch of content that could be found for free on the Internet. And WarCraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal gave us a handful of beefed up hero units and two short campaigns, and that was it. And it released less than six months after the original game.

Hell, look at FPS like Painkiller: Resurrection, which only added 6 new levels(and a secret level) and two new guns, though one wasn't available until a later patch. And the Painkiller: Battle Out of Hell expansion released about six months after Painkiller did. Or look at the Doom expansions, which culled heavily from the variety of freely available levels found online. Why buy an expansion when so much of the content is already free on the Internet? And then there were the Duke Nukem 3D expansions with their lack of quality control, which ranged from awesome(Life's a Beach) to awful(Nuclear Winter).

Shit, Redneck Rampage had a Cuss Pack "expansion" for sale for $1. All it did was put more swearing in the game. It was given to Mac users for free!

[fastbilly1]

[ Therefore you were really only paying full price for four new units that were late game and limited in their versatility along with a bunch of content that could be found for free on the Internet.

Battle Tactics was not a full price title. It was $20 or $30 depending on the store - I bought my copy for $20 at Bestbuy.

[Ack]

[ Therefore you were really only paying full price for four new units that were late game and limited in their versatility along with a bunch of content that could be found for free on the Internet.

Battle Tactics was not a full price title. It was $20 or $30 depending on the store - I bought my copy for $20 at Bestbuy.

So $5 a unit with a bunch of maps you could basically find for free online.