Steve Jobs named most influential person in gaming!

[noiseredux]

Either I'm not doing a good job with explaining my points, or you guys are misunderstanding me. Let me make it very short and simple then:

Thanks to companies such as Nintendo, Apple and Facebook, casual gaming has grown very quickly and it's a big fucking deal now. The bigger casual gaming gets, the more of a negative effect it has on gamers and video games themselves.

no I understand your opinion Inazuma. I'm just asking you to think of actual supporting fact that shows a cause and effect of Jobs influencing Nintendo or any other games in a negative way. You haven't explained any of that in specifics. Just vague opinions.

[Hobie-wan]

Either I'm not doing a good job with explaining my points, or you guys are misunderstanding me. Let me make it very short and simple then:

Thanks to companies such as Nintendo, Apple and Facebook, casual gaming has grown very quickly and it's a big fucking deal now. The bigger casual gaming gets, the more of a negative effect it has on gamers and video games themselves.

no I understand your opinion Inazuma. I'm just asking you to think of actual supporting fact that shows a cause and effect of Jobs influencing Nintendo or any other games in a negative way. You haven't explained any of that in specifics. Just vague opinions.

Fuckin' A!

[Ack]

Either I'm not doing a good job with explaining my points, or you guys are misunderstanding me. Let me make it very short and simple then:

Thanks to companies such as Nintendo, Apple and Facebook, casual gaming has grown very quickly and it's a big fucking deal now. The bigger casual gaming gets, the more of a negative effect it has on gamers and video games themselves.

no I understand your opinion Inazuma. I'm just asking you to think of actual supporting fact that shows a cause and effect of Jobs influencing Nintendo or any other games in a negative way. You haven't explained any of that in specifics. Just vague opinions.

I know what will help Inazuma here. He's getting frustrated because he has no reasoning to back his arguments.

Inazuma, I have an idea for you. You should add facts to back your arguments. It will work, and it will make you look less ignorant to people like me.

Hopefully some day you can step away from this and look at making your point with an open mind. Take care, Inazuma.

I'm making you confront something that you don't want to confront, and it pisses you off.

Please try to calm down. You're blinded by anger.

[BurningDoom]

Not much more I can add that hasn't already been said. The entire list is a bunch of BS.

[Yancakes]

Not much more I can add that hasn't already been said. The entire list is a bunch of BS.

Well, Shiggy definitely belongs on that list. Maaaaaybe Gabe Newell.

[dsheinem]

you guys do know this list was decided by industry execs, right? doesn't that count for something?

[Inazuma]

You guys are just being assholes now.

Back in the day, the majority of gamers were nerds. Hardcore gaming nerds who had a passion for gaming and a lot of knowledge about the industry. When a company created a game, it had this demographic in mind. It was pretty much the only demographic that there was. The best way to get these hardcore gamer nerds to buy your game was to make a really good game. If you made a shit game, it usually wouldn't sell as well.

Flash forward to today. Things are completely different. Hardcore gamers still play games, but so does everyone else. If you make the same game that you would have made 10 years ago, it will only appeal to that same hardcore gamer demographic.

But video games are a business, and things have changed. Video games are still made with the goal of making money. That part hasn't changed. The customer has changed. Making the best game possible used to be the norm, but that is no longer the best way to make money. Your customers don't want the best game possible. It would be too complicated and expensive for them. They want something simple, easy to play and cheap. Something to help them waste time in the waiting room.

In other words, people don't want Chess; they want Tic Tac Toe.

@Hobie
You know, even if everything I said in this thread was completely wrong, that wouldn't make curse words bad. I could even switch sides and agree with you about curse words, and they still wouldn't be bad. >_>

[Hobie-wan]

You guys are just being assholes now.

It's kind of annoying when people are just as stubborn as you, isn't it?

@Hobie
You know, even if everything I said in this thread was completely wrong, that wouldn't make curse words bad. I could even switch sides and agree with you about curse words, and they still wouldn't be bad. >_>

It isn't even about whether they're bad or not. It's about courtesy and tact.

[MrPopo]

Your customers don't want the best game possible. It would be too complicated and expensive for them. They want something simple, easy to play and cheap. Something to help them waste time in the waiting room.

You're confusing complexity with quality. It's a very common mistake that people make. By your logic Tetris is a terrible game, because it's simple and easy to play, and many people use it to waste time in between appointments.

[Hatta]

you guys do know this list was decided by industry execs, right? doesn't that count for something?

It doesn't count for much, but it certainly explains a lot. When industry executives hear "gaming" they think "game marketing and distribution" not gameplay or direction.