Metroid: Other M - Worst Metroid Ever?

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GigaPepsiMan wrote:Also the I already have my power ups but can't use them is just plain as day awful story telling.
Seriously, Adam reminded me of the boss from 'Office Space'. Like how he makes you wander around the fire area for about ten minutes before letting you use your Varia suit? And doesn't even consider it till you're about to be eaten by some huge monster? "Hmmm...yeah...Samus....why don't you go ahead...yeah....use your Varia Suit. And could you come in on Saturday?"
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GigaPepsiMan wrote:I'm not going to say anymore on Other: M because I have said it all on other forums but I will say this much.
It was a flawed experiment with a week story and 2D characters, some parts of the game completely go against the story of later games (Like Fusion). Samus character was ruined I can say thank god Team Ninja didn't sex up samus but thye did make her suit come off every few minutes like it was hald together with tape, had her suit failed like that anywhere else she would most likely die. In all they ruined her character completely when they tried to make her scared of ridly which is a bad decision if there ever was one.

Also the I already have my power ups but can't use them is just plain as day awful story telling.
I'm afraid of Ridley... I'm actually about to face off against him in Super Metroid! :lol:
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GigaPepsiMan wrote:I'm not going to say anymore on Other: M because I have said it all on other forums but I will say this much.
It was a flawed experiment with a week story and 2D characters, some parts of the game completely go against the story of later games (Like Fusion). Samus character was ruined I can say thank god Team Ninja didn't sex up samus but thye did make her suit come off every few minutes like it was hald together with tape, had her suit failed like that anywhere else she would most likely die. In all they ruined her character completely when they tried to make her scared of ridly which is a bad decision if there ever was one.

Also the I already have my power ups but can't use them is just plain as day awful story telling.
Samus wasn't scared of Ridley per se, or she wouldn't have kept hunting him. She was shocked, and experiencing post-traumatic stress. She should be feeling some trauma. After all, this is the creature that murdered and ate her parents. And she should be stunned, because she already friggin' disintegrated Ridley when she fought him in Super Metroid. Samus isn't supposed to know she's in a video game where people come back from the dead all the time, right? She'd be well within rights to have thought she had closed that chapter of her life. Imagine the murderer of your family and all your childhood friends came back from the dead to get you, and tell me you wouldn't freak out. That would be completely inhuman.

This is not a new thing, either. Here's an example from the official Metroid manga that was released way back when Zero Mission came out.

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Ridley himself doesn't make things any easier for her at that point, as he goes on to talk about how he ate several of the colonists--very possibly including Samus' parents--after a suicide attack by her father.

Zero Mission, Fusion, the manga, and Other M all tie together perfectly. This is the exact same Samus Aran we played in Fusion and Zero Mission in every respect. She just talks too much this time. That's all.

Also, it's explained way back in both the old Nintendo Power comics and again in the manga that Samus' power suit relies on her ability to focus in order to work. No focus, no power suit. It's also said to rely strongly on her danger sense (but she still has to focus). That's presumably the origin of both the "Focus" and "Sense Move" abilities in Other M.

As far as the story and characters go, this is fairly traditional and totally in line with how the story has been developing for many years now. What's veered off radically is the game play mechanics and the presentation.
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The thing that ruins your Ridley thing is that the primes games happened before other:M.
Taht is like 4 times she has fought and killed ridley.
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GigaPepsiMan wrote:The thing that ruins your Ridley thing is that the primes games happened before other:M.
Taht is like 4 times she has fought and killed ridley.
But the big difference between her previous fights with Ridley and Super's is that in Super she finishes it with blowing up the planet. So let's look at the timeline:

1. Kills Ridley in Metroid
2. Encounters Meta Ridley on the Space Pirate space platform. He flies off without engaging her while she just stands there (and I admit, I'm taking certain liberties with the interpretation of that particular cinematic)
3. Samus reads pirate logs about how they can rebuild him, make him faster, stronger
4. Fights Meta Ridley
5. Fights Ridley in MP3 multiple times, but it isn't totally unexpected, as we already know Ridley can be rebuilt with cyborg parts
6. Fights Ridley in Super. Blows up the planet, thus not leaving any way for the pirates to bring him back
7. Ridley shows up in Other M. That's the "out of nowhere" trigger
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Besides that, maybe she was shocked and horrified the other times too. We don't know, because she didn't have anyone around to talk to about it.
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Or maybe Other M is just badly written.
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AppleQueso wrote:Or maybe Other M is just badly written.
Maybe it is. Maybe I don't see why that's a big deal when I already think the majority of "story-driven" "cinematic" games are badly written. Maybe that's why it's better if Nintendo sticks to letting games be games instead of following the Sony-era delusion that they should be a theater experience. Badly written or not, it's still not out of character.
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I just beat Super Metroid about an hour ago and started Other M right when I was done. The opening cinematic blew me away, and I'm genuinely interested in seeing where the story goes. I stopped to take a break when I got to the first save point, but I'm already excited to see that the game is bringing Super Metroid and Fusion together storyline-wise.
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Hhhmmm. Haven't we seen Samus express emotion before? I mean, she saved the Metroid baby in Metroid II and there was definitely a motherly thing implied? I have never seen so many people angry because a female hero was presented as TOO female. Not saying that to upset the female users out there, maybe I should say it sounds like people are upset because they made Samus too human. Again, I have seen this in the previous games - Metroid II and Super Metroid with the baby Metroid, Fusion with Adam, Prime with the Chozo. Plus we see a good deal of her without her suit in Zero Mission. I know these examples include some newer games, but if this is just another "old games vs. new games" argument, I still stick with the saving of the baby Metroid and also the little critters that teach her abilities (assuming you went back and did that before beating the game you bastards :wink: ).
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