Opinions: Nintendo's Risk-Taking.

[Xeogred]

Well, I guess this is better fit in the "unpopular opinions thread", but I wouldn't mind if Retro did another DKCR to finish off a trilogy and then the Switch gets the full set. I'm at a loss at how the people here that dislike their DKCR games keep piling up. Different isn't bad AJ, I bet that's why a lot of people go in and hate them... expecting DKC or something. And I got over the goofy waggle controls from the first in minutes. I like the DKC games more of course but the Returns games are amazing in their own right. Better than New Super Mario Bros and the new Rayman stuff to me. You got the Metroid Prime composer on the first Returns and get to play as Donkey again. How can you not love it.



Defense:

Naturally, I'd rather they do Prime 4 above all else, but I guess they're not. They can do anything though. Too bad they didn't do Star Fox Zero away from Miyamoto's watch.

[Gunstar Green]

You all know my feelings on DKC so I might actually like Returns.

[Tanooki]

I'm wondering if Mercury Steam which did Returns (and Castlevania on console, pc, 3ds) may have their hands on Metroid Prime 4. Retro said they're not doing it, Nintendo claimed somewhere an excellent fairly new hot studio was doing the job for them. It kind of fits, and they do really solid work and work quite well with Nintendo it appears.

[PartridgeSenpai]

I'm at a loss at how the people here that dislike their DKCR games keep piling up. Different isn't bad AJ, I bet that's why a lot of people go in and hate them... expecting DKC or something. And I got over the goofy waggle controls from the first in minutes. I like the DKC games more of course but the Returns games are amazing in their own right. Better than New Super Mario Bros and the new Rayman stuff to me. You got the Metroid Prime composer on the first Returns and get to play as Donkey again. How can you not love it.

For all of our differences, Xeo, we seem to be some of the only ones on the site who have played all the DKC games and enjoy them all. The first DKC is the only one of the bunch where I would say it's a game I do not like that much, and that's mostly because the SNES version is just in levels of "too hard to be that fun." They're way too stingy with save points, but the GBA version where you can save anywhere fixes that. I'm not sure if I could pick a favorite, but DKC2 and Tropical Freeze are both definitely up there.

The Rayman games though, are legit some of my favorite platformers ever. They're what Sonic games should be to me, tbh. Tons of really satisfying momentum where all of the action/fighting is more like puzzles. They're some of my favorite 2D platformers ever. Origins was SO good, I was afraid to pick up Legends because I was doubtful such a game could ever be topped, but then Legends absolutely blew me away. Multiplayer is fantastic, and very friendly to dying a lot. They're just A++ games. I don't usually score games, and when I do I'm usually quite stern, but Origins and Legends were probably both 10/10's for me when I played 'em.

[Xeogred]

Well we highly agree and then politely disagree sometimes, as I will have to right there with your post...

I'm honestly really surprised you have trouble with DKC1. I think it's way easier than 2 and 3, DKC2 always seemed like the hardest one to as it kind of picks up where the difficulty leaves off at the end of the first one (some say the same about Tropical Freeze after Returns, but I found those both to be quite challenging but fair and fun. You never really run out of lives or anything). But yeah I love all five games and I think if Returns got ported without the motion controls people would maybe give it another chance.

Soooo good.


But the second part there, I'm not sure what Rayman does that Sonic should or vice versa... seems like a left field claim haha. I'm sure you've seen me praising Sonic Mania in 10 threads or something and yeah, the original Genesis and CD games are some of my favorites of all time. I beat Legends but didn't care for the music, art style, level designs, mechanics, anything haha. I don't hate it but it's not one I'll play again, just didn't really resonate with me. Not much else to say about Rayman, lol.

I did also play a lot of Legends one night at a party, that was fun. But in the end I kind of evaluate games from a solo experience mainly.

I'm wondering if Mercury Steam which did Returns (and Castlevania on console, pc, 3ds) may have their hands on Metroid Prime 4. Retro said they're not doing it, Nintendo claimed somewhere an excellent fairly new hot studio was doing the job for them. It kind of fits, and they do really solid work and work quite well with Nintendo it appears.

@Tanooki: I'm pretty sure most sources were suggesting Prime 4 will be developed in house at Nintendo by a new studio/team. I don't think they fit the "new" bill. I would have zero faith in Mercury Steam doing Metroid justice in 3D, unless it's 4000% different from the Lords of Shadow craps.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/06/13/ ... s-producer

[alienjesus]

Well, I guess this is better fit in the "unpopular opinions thread", but I wouldn't mind if Retro did another DKCR to finish off a trilogy and then the Switch gets the full set. I'm at a loss at how the people here that dislike their DKCR games keep piling up. Different isn't bad AJ, I bet that's why a lot of people go in and hate them... expecting DKC or something. And I got over the goofy waggle controls from the first in minutes. I like the DKC games more of course but the Returns games are amazing in their own right. Better than New Super Mario Bros and the new Rayman stuff to me. You got the Metroid Prime composer on the first Returns and get to play as Donkey again. How can you not love it.



Defense:

Naturally, I'd rather they do Prime 4 above all else, but I guess they're not. They can do anything though. Too bad they didn't do Star Fox Zero away from Miyamoto's watch.

I didn't say different was bad. I love both Donkey Kong 64 and Donkey Kong Jungle Beat and those were very different games to the DKC series.

Let me put it this way though - you know how people have been waiting for a proper new 2D metroid game since 2004 before Returns came along? I feel like I've been waiting for a proper new DKC game since 1996. DKC Returns and Tropical Freeze may well be good (I'll see for myself soon enough) but just seeing how they look, feel and play makes it clear that whilst they have similarities, these really aren't the same thing. It's a bit like waiting for a new Mario game and getting a Wario Land. There are similarities and you might like it, but it's not the thing you were actually waiting for!

[Segata]

I'm wondering if Mercury Steam which did Returns (and Castlevania on console, pc, 3ds) may have their hands on Metroid Prime 4. Retro said they're not doing it, Nintendo claimed somewhere an excellent fairly new hot studio was doing the job for them. It kind of fits, and they do really solid work and work quite well with Nintendo it appears.

Fairly sure they said would be an internal team. I would hope it is MS because I like the art in LoS. Retro has former Darksiders artist working there and wanted a Metroid Prime with his art but since that is not happening now hoping for Mercury Steam on Prime. (I don't think Prime 4 would use the more cartoony look of MSR)

[PartridgeSenpai]

But the second part there, I'm not sure what Rayman does that Sonic should or vice versa... seems like a left field claim haha.

I said before: It's a game that carries its momentum very well. Sonic is a game about going fast until you hit something bad. Sonic has never really worked for me as a concept because while going fast is very fun and cool, going through the more tricky platforming bits using his normal jumps and ball-spins has always felt very awkward to me.

Rayman Legends on the other hand is a game where not only are there very fast-running parts where you use your momentum and speed to very satisfyingly traverse a level (especially once you can wall-run), but it also has more normal platforming sections where the jumping and slapping feel very natural to control. Just one more thing for us to politely disagree on: I'm more of a Rayman guy and you're more of a Sonic guy

It's a bit like waiting for a new Mario game and getting a Wario Land. There are similarities and you might like it, but it's not the thing you were actually waiting for!

Honestly I'd freaking love getting another Wario Land game like the old ones instead of another 2D Mario. Don't get me wrong, I really loved SMBU, but damn if I don't love me some Wario Land. If Nintendo did an announcement tomorrow that was like "yeah, we're releasing all the Wario Land games on a Switch cartridge for $40" I'd be damn tempted to buy it

[Segata]

Well we highly agree and then politely disagree sometimes, as I will have to right there with your post...

I'm honestly really surprised you have trouble with DKC1. I think it's way easier than 2 and 3, DKC2 always seemed like the hardest one to as it kind of picks up where the difficulty leaves off at the end of the first one (some say the same about Tropical Freeze after Returns, but I found those both to be quite challenging but fair and fun. You never really run out of lives or anything). But yeah I love all five games and I think if Returns got ported without the motion controls people would maybe give it another chance.

Soooo good.


But the second part there, I'm not sure what Rayman does that Sonic should or vice versa... seems like a left field claim haha. I'm sure you've seen me praising Sonic Mania in 10 threads or something and yeah, the original Genesis and CD games are some of my favorites of all time. I beat Legends but didn't care for the music, art style, level designs, mechanics, anything haha. I don't hate it but it's not one I'll play again, just didn't really resonate with me. Not much else to say about Rayman, lol.

I did also play a lot of Legends one night at a party, that was fun. But in the end I kind of evaluate games from a solo experience mainly.

I'm wondering if Mercury Steam which did Returns (and Castlevania on console, pc, 3ds) may have their hands on Metroid Prime 4. Retro said they're not doing it, Nintendo claimed somewhere an excellent fairly new hot studio was doing the job for them. It kind of fits, and they do really solid work and work quite well with Nintendo it appears.

@Tanooki: I'm pretty sure most sources were suggesting Prime 4 will be developed in house at Nintendo by a new studio/team. I don't think they fit the "new" bill. I would have zero faith in Mercury Steam doing Metroid justice in 3D, unless it's 4000% different from the Lords of Shadow craps.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/06/13/ ... s-producer

Meh I loved the first Lords of Shadow. Game is awesome. I esp love it took CV back to a proper gothic setitng instead of anime glam rock of Igavania.

[isiolia]

Meh I loved the first Lords of Shadow. Game is awesome. I esp love it took CV back to a proper gothic setitng instead of anime glam rock of Igavania.

First one is epic, especially with the DLC rolled in. In fairness, I think it does start out a little rough.

Second isn't terrible either, but felt a lot smaller.