Which is Better Saturn Or Dreamcast?

[Zer]

Have you played many Japanese exclusives? if not, that could be part of your problem.
What types of games do you enjoy most?

I have to say i haven't played any Jap exclusives. But I don't buy something to play jap games if you get me, sue maybe 1 or 2 are worth getting but not enough to warranet any serious effort to learn japanease and give the peace sign in every photo I'm in.

The only jap game I can think of on the saturn I'd really want to play woudl be radiant silvergun.

Anyway I am mostly in racing games which the psx not only bettered the saturn with it absolutely gave it a doing it couldn't recover from.

The Dc has some ok racing games but the sony machines and the xbox are better for racing games. The DC has a really good library of quality games that I enjoy, the saturn so far has done nothing for me.

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Not all Japanese games have only Japanese text. Look at Ikaruga for DC. Almost entirely English but never got released outside of Japan till the GC release. Or the Bit Generations series of GBA games. A
AWESOME, all english, but only in Japan. Or Napple Tale, I haven't tried it but it looks sweet. And only in Japan. I didn't mention any Saturn games since I haven't tried any and don't know much about the library.

For some reason, the Japanese seem to like tossing in English text a lot. Which is nice since I couldn't read a word of Kanji if my life depended on it.

[nateup2]

If you are into 2d brawlers, Saturn is a must... forget about it. The best home, non-neo geo 2d fighting experience is on a Saturn. Most of the best releases are Jap only (SFA3/SShodown/etc) and are worth having the system for.
Guardian Heroes is one of a kind, Shinobi Legions, Astal, Darious Gaiden and other shmups, Metal Slug - there are so many reasons to own that gaming machine.

Also, best 2d controller ever.

[silverback]

i have ikaragu on the dc ad it is indeed great and indeed in Jap.

The saturn controller imo is worse than the mega drive one. Although I opnly have the early oval button console and the squarer pads. Its not a patch on comfort of the ps/dc/xbox pad.

I will need to mod the saturn and try some jap game son it I suppose. But the fact is I still need to look to another continent to get good games for it!

Nate recomended some games and I have a few on the list that racketboy put up of the best games for it yet none would have me choose it over the dc. Anyone else got any MUSt haves for it that are not like 120 quid (panzer dragoon saga)?

[Bootaaay]

Anyone else got any MUSt haves for it that are not like 120 quid (panzer dragoon saga)?

There are loads of awesome Saturn titles out there that don't require you to break the bank, here's my reccomendations;

Assault Suit Leynos 2 - really awesome side-scrolling mech game, the sequel to Cybernators/Target Earth. High difficulty, but gorgeous graphics and a lot of fun, plus it's cheap and easy to acquire.

Astal - Nice little platformer with some of the most compelling 2d graphics on the Saturn, sometimes gets overpriced so don't pay too much for it.

Astra Superstars - One of the best 2d fighters on the Saturn, developed by Sunsoft this fighter sees battle take place in mid-air. Really beautiful graphics, unfourtunatly this one can be quite pricey (£60+)

Batsugun - The originator of the bullet-hell/manic-shooter sub-genre of SHMUPS and a great game too - plus, it's easy to find and relatively cheap.

Battle Garegga - Another great Saturn SHMUP from Raizing, really worth checking out and not too expensive to find either.

Burning Rangers - Weird futuristc fire-fighting game from Sonic Team, seems a bit dated now and the controls are a nightmare, but still an enjoyable game. Can be quite expensive for PAL & NA copies though.

Capcom Generations Series - Capcom compilation collection that for the most part is easy to find and houses some awesome games;

- Capcom Generations 1: Wings of Destiny - Awesome collection of classic SHMUPS - 1942, 1943 & 1943 Kai
- Capcom Generations 2: Chronicles of Arthur - Containing the first 3 Ghosts & Goblins/Ghouls & Ghosts games
- Capcom Generations 3: First Generation - Containing some of Capcoms first ever arcade games
- Capcom Generations 4: Blazing Guns - Contains 3 different run & gun shooters - Commando, Gun Smoke & Mercs
- Capcom Generations 5: Street Fighter Collection 2 - Contains the first 3 versions of SFII

Cotton 2 - Really fun horizontal 'cute-em-up'

Cotton Boomerang - The crazier, more expensive, remix version of Cotton 2; well worth looking into if you're a horizontal shooter fan

Cyberbots - One of Capcoms most overlooked 2d fighters, Cyberbots goes for really cheap and is well worth picking up

Detana Twinbee Yahho! - Great compilation of the Twinbee shooters

Discworld I & II - Really good ports of these unique PC point-and-click adventure games

DonPachi & DoDonPachi - Great pair of Cave SHMUPS that can be had for relatively cheap

Dragon Force - One of the best SRPGS on the Saturn, can be quite expesive though

Dungeons & Dragons Collection - Combining the two awesome D&D side-scrolling beat-em-up's (Tower of Doom & Shadows over Mystara) into one package, this collection is really worth picking up.

Game Paradise - Really quirky SHMUP set in a video-game arcade

Gokujyou Parodius - Great Parodius deluxe pack and much cheaper and easier to acquire than Sexy Parodius

Guardian Heroes - One of the best Saturn games and one of the best side-scrolling beat-em-up's ever, can be expensive to find PAL/NA copies in mint condition though.

HyperDuel - Amazing horizontal-SHMUP, hard to find for cheap though

Keio's Flying Squadron 2 - Weird & Colourful 2d platformer with SHMUP sections

Langrisser Tribute - Amazing SRPG collection combining the first 5 Langrisser games into one package, quite Japanese intensive though.

Layer Section - Another awesome Saturn SHMUP, and very cheap to find - avoid the horrid Layer Section 2

Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter - the predecesor to Marvel vs Capcom, very easy to find cheap

Nanatsu Kaze no Shima Monogatari - Awe-inspiring Enix developed 2d puzzle adventure game with beautiful graphics, very Japanese intensive, but there are guides and youtube videos to help

NiGHTS into Dreams & Christmas NiGHTS - Both of these can be found suprisingly cheap, well worth picking up along with one of the 3d Saturn pads

Panzer Dragoon & Panzer Dragoon II: Zwei - Awesome on-rails shooters, and much easier and cheaper to acquire than their RPG counterpart

Princess Crown - Amazing action-RPG with beautiful big-sprite 2d graphics

Sengoku Ace Episode II - Highly enjoyable fuedal-Japan horizontal SHMUP

Soukyugurentai - Amazing vertical SHMUP from Raizing, one of the best on the Saturn

Steep Slope Sliders - Really awesome snow boarding game from Cave

Stellar Assault SS - Goddamn, this space-shooter is amazing. It's not just a port of the MegaCD version, but a total re-working. One of the best looking games on the Saturn and one of my all-time favourite space-shooters. Beware though, it's expensive and rare - more so than Radiant Silvergun - I only mention it because it's so awesome and if you're a fan of the genre it's well worth saving up for.

Street Fighter Alpha/Zero III - Probably the best version of Alpha/Zero 3 on any console

Strikers 1945 & 1945 II - Pair of awesome SHMUPS from Psikyo

Super Tempo - Bizzarre 2d platformer, can be found cheap but is quite rare, well worth hunting down though

Terra Phantastica - Amazing and totally overlooked SRPG, Japanese intensive though

Thunderforce V - The pinacle of the Thunderforce series, well worth picking up. Also, the Thunderforce Gold Packs 1 & 2 combine the previous 4 games, although the Gold Packs are more rare and expensive than Thunderforce V.

Tryrush Deppy - Amazing 2d platformer that sees you control a taxi-cab. With beautiful and colourful graphics Tryrush is one of the best-looking games on the Saturn.

Twinkle Star Sprites - Amazing battle/VS SHMUP, although the Dreamcast version is better.

Wachenroder - Really good Steam-Punk SRPG from SEGA

Waku Waku 7 - The predecesor to Sunsoft's Astra Superstars, much cheaper and easier to find.

The saturn controller imo is worse than the mega drive one. Although I opnly have the early oval button console and the squarer pads. Its not a patch on comfort of the ps/dc/xbox pad.

Do yourself a favour and pick up a pair of the V2 Saturn pads, much better than the original pads.

[Doctor Fugue]

Great list, Bootaaay!

[scottykick]

After rethinking this, I would give the slight edge to Saturn. The deciding factor is the awsome hardware, it runs silent and is sturdy, limited built in memory is better then none. The Saturns are still running while Playstation 1's from the same time have long stopped running.

The Saturn was out while I was in High School, and the 3 games I always played at the arcade were Steet Fighter 2, Mortal Kombat & NBA Jam. All 3 are on Saturn.

Plus 2D is better then 3D! lol

[RyaNtheSlayA]

After rethinking this, I would give the slight edge to Saturn. The deciding factor is the awsome hardware, it runs silent and is sturdy, limited built in memory is better then none. The Saturns are still running while Playstation 1's from the same time have long stopped running.

The Saturn was out while I was in High School, and the 3 games I always played at the arcade were Steet Fighter 2, Mortal Kombat & NBA Jam. All 3 are on Saturn.

Plus 2D is better then 3D! lol

i actually have to agree on the 2d is better than 3D.

[ott0bot]

Great list, Bootaaay!

Yes indeed. very nice

[nateup2]

Dreamcast is probably better overall... but I prefer Saturn for its 2d titles.

[scottykick]

Yeah, The Dreamcast is the better system as it is more powerful, and more advanced, it also has alot of unique and innovative titles. The reaction I had the 1st time I booted up Soul Calibur on the Dreamcast on launch day, is still not matched. The Dreamcast was the biggest graphical jump from the previous generation. While PS3/360 Games are obviously better graphically then the PS2/Xbox games, they still don't make me go HOLY SH!T the way The Dreamcast did.

I love both systems, and play both plus Genesis all the time. I would only give the edge to Saturn for the sturdy hardware, I will probaly still be playing the same Saturn in 10 years, and the only fix that would be needed is a new battery.

Being a Sports gamer, the Dreamcast is a must as the VMU is brilliant for conceling your plays in multiplayer.

The only hardware i never owned of Segas was the Master system, Game Gear & Nomad.

Maybe Sega should make one more console, one that plays Dreamcast GD-Roms, Saturn CD's, 32X CD's, Sega CD's, Genesis Carts & Master System Carts, have wireless controler options for each controler, a Game Gear player (ala Gameboy Player for Cube) and download service for homebrew games, of course a hardrive for game saves and downloads.