The worst fanbases

[CFFJR]

EDIT: Seeing as how you're kind of a Sonic expert though CFFJR (sorry if I missed this earlier in the huge thread), weren't there some comics kind of based around or connected to Sonic SatAM and Sonic CD? I'd totally be down for checking that stuff out.

Mm, in a sense, but they weren't a different series.

Archie's Sonic was, in its earliest form, based on Satam, with an emphasis on humor. All of the characters were pulled from the show at that early time.

However, as you know Satam was cancelled after 2 seasons, and the comic is now 200+ issues strong, so its evolved a hell of a lot, and its now very different from its earliest form, and even 5 years ago.

As for Sonic CD, they had one issue way back when (issue 25, to be specific) that was adaptation of the events of Sonic CD, but it was of course pretty brief.

Now there might have been a manga for Sonic CD, but I certainly couldn't tell you for sure.

I haven't picked up and read a Sonic Comic for some time. The latest ones at least. I just remember around 8th grade or so reading them and thinking..."wow, is it just me or are these story archs getting more and more insipid and emoish?" they were mainly the ones involving Mina Mongoose.

Glad to know they've improved.

I'm so sorry, but you picked them up at the lowest point in the series. I've been reading them for years, and I stopped at that time.

The comic has been in the hands of a new (well not new anymore) writer, Ian Flynn, for the past 4 or 5 years, and it has vastly improved in that time. The dialogue is better, the plots are far superior (and loose ends that had been untouched for years have been fixed) and the characters personalities are consistent and natural.

It has never been better than it is under Flynn.

[Xeogred]

Pretty cool to hear, so has the Satam comic been consistently good then? I loved the cartoon back in the day (way more than the goofier chili dogs cartoon, haha), even bought a bootleg of it a few years ago before they finally announced the DVD's.

Just figured I'd ask about Sonic CD too though since I think I clearly remember there was an episode or two of Satam that was based on those events, maybe it covered that issue of the comic or something? But yeah, sad to hear there's not more Sonic CD material out there, unless there's a manga or something like you said.

[flamepanther]

I recall reading somewhere that Amy was introduced in a StH manga prior to her inclusion in Sonic CD. I have no idea whether there's a manga covering the events of the game though.


From what I've read, the Archie-published Sonic comics have been pretty good for awhile, but went through some of the most seriously bizarre retcon I've ever heard of in order to bring the books in line with the Sonic Adventure era designs and story of the games--you know, now that the games have more than the most rudimentary excuse for a story. Something about Eggman and Robotnik not being the same guy, and one of them being a clone or transported in from another universe or something. Some fans of the books get really pissed if you suggest that's not supposed to be true in the actual games.

[AppleQueso]

Some fans of the books get really pissed if you suggest that's not supposed to be true in the actual games.

So what do they do when the games actually CONTRADICT the books?

[CFFJR]

Ha, that happened quite a while ago. Though I've never heard a fan claim that it happened that way in the games.

Anyway, that was done back around when Sonic Adventure first came out. It wasn't a retcon so much as an aligning of the universes.

Here's the deal.

Back in the early days, the sonic comic did a 4 issue story arc known as Endgame, and it ran from issues 47-50. Its one of the comic's most famous story lines, and its pretty damn good.

Anyway, at the end of the story, Sonic and Robotnik had a climactic fight, and Robotnik was killed. After that happened, the comic branched out and went for about two more years using different villains, among them Ixis Naugus from the Satam show.

Finally, at about issue 75 I believe, they needed to bring Robotnik back in time for Sonic Adventure, as well as update his appearance, because his previous design was pulled from Satam.

Now, the Sonic comic universe has a DC like multiverse, several of which had been previously explored throughout the series, and the main universe (and the characters within) are referred to as "Prime". There was one particular universe where Robotnik had successfully killed Sonic, but in order gain the power to do so he had turned himself into a robot. He'd become bored with his victory, and when he learned that Robotnik Prime was dead, he traveled to the Prime universe to take his place and battle Sonic again. His own robotic body was destroyed in their first battle, but since he's a robot, he transferred his consciousness to one of many different bodies (which conveniently looks just like the current design from the games ), and he's been Eggman ever since.

So that's it. Of course, there's been another 175 issues since that all happened, so its old hat.

The series has had a lot of ups and downs, (and a really low point in the 110-140s), but its been consistently great since 160, where the current writer took over.

Wow, sorry for completely nerding out on you guys like that.

Edit to fix a typo.

[AppleQueso]

apparently what's left of the Powerpuff Girls fanbase is full of fanfiction writers and shippers.

[Sideroller]

I salute you for you knowledge, sir.

I feel like a dingbat now because I'm pretty sure I gave up on the comics right around issue 150 or so.

[CFFJR]

I salute you for you knowledge, sir.

I feel like a dingbat now because I'm pretty sure I gave up on the comics right around issue 150 or so.

Thanks.

Thanks also for making me realize I made a typo, which I've corrected now. The current writer has been on since 160, not 150. Sorry about that.

Don't feel too bad though. Its understandable that you walked away, because that point of the series was pretty painful in a lot of ways. Even the artwork was suffering horribly.

If you ever feel like getting back in to them, you can safely start from 200, and catch up fairly easily.

[flamepanther]

Some fans of the books get really pissed if you suggest that's not supposed to be true in the actual games.

So what do they do when the games actually CONTRADICT the books?

Make excuses, of course! They're completely convinced that the U.S. comics are Sega's official timeline, so obviously any discrepancies are a misunderstanding on the part of the reader/player, or Sonic Team didn't pay enough attention to continuity

@CFFJR: That sounds like some really clever maneuvering on the part of the writers! Less insane than how it sounded when I first heard about it, so thanks for filling us in. Still, it's pretty obvious that the games aren't operating in the Archie universe.

[Sideroller]

I salute you for you knowledge, sir.

I feel like a dingbat now because I'm pretty sure I gave up on the comics right around issue 150 or so.

Thanks.

Thanks also for making me realize I made a typo, which I've corrected now. The current writer has been on since 160, not 150. Sorry about that.

Don't feel too bad though. Its understandable that you walked away, because that point of the series was pretty painful in a lot of ways. Even the artwork was suffering horribly.

If you ever feel like getting back in to them, you can safely start from 200, and catch up fairly easily.

Cool, I'll keep that in mind. And ditto on the artwork. I was looking at the books I still have from those issues and the art just looks plain awkward.