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BurningDoom wrote: First of all, YES. He can come on the show and cut promos and tell jokes. That's what he's good at.

And secondly, why in the hell can't he wrestle against other guys? He is an active member of the WWE roster, correct? WWE is paying him, correct?

I'm sorry, but less is not more in this case. All it's doing is making the Rock come off as some spoiled Diva or rockstar or something. It he wants to be the WWE Champion, then he needs to man-up and represent the company like a WWE Champion should. If he can't do that, then he shouldn't be the champion.
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I've already said everything I needed to say, and everything you're saying is the same stupid crap Rock bashers have been saying since last year's Mania. You all sound like a broken record and a bunch of whiners. Everything you said doesn't make sense. Why aren't you bashing Triple H or Undertaker for not wrestling or making appearances every night, or Brock Lesnar for that matter, or Jericho for taking little vacations whenever the hell he feels like it. Aren't they on WWE's payroll? Aren't they active members of their roster? If that's all there is to your argument, it's pretty weak.

You wanna know why? Because these guys have paid their dues and can essentially do whatever they want because they've earned it(well, that's debatable in Hunter's case, but I digress). Calling Rock a diva or rockstar is just a nice way to sweep everything he's done in his career under the carpet like it never happened and is the kind of thing that jealous people who will never accomplish anything themselves say. It's easy for guys on the roster who aren't even on The Rock's level to bash him, makes them feel better about their selves and their lower spots in the WWE hierarchy. I hate you, "what have you done for me lately" fans who just act like The Rock is nothing more than some Hollywood actor just showing up and becoming champion
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Gamerforlife wrote: Seeing the Rock less, makes his appearances matter more. What's he gonna do if he's on every show? Tell silly jokes and sing songs?
How about doing some wrestling in that show about wrestling? No need to do promos or tell jokes if you have nothing to say, just get in the ring and defend that title belt. Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot that it's called sports entertainment nowadays. Carry on.
That championship belt would be worth a lot more if you had to defend it on a weekly basis and not just on PPVs. The value of belts has declined over the years exactly because of that. If you're the champ, you should be forced to defend your title as often as possible. No BS refusing to defend your title/getting yourself DQ'd on purporse.

And no a champion should NOT defend his title as often as possible, because THAT is what devalues the title. A title defense should be a rare thing, something for people to be excited to tune in for or pay tickets for. Unfortunately, wrestling doesn't usually work that way anymore. It did in the old days, where the world title was rarely defended and it was a special event when it was. Today TNA and WWE just give everything away. We have like five WWE shows a week, which is overkill and devalues their entire product, but that's another rant for another day.
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Gamerforlife wrote:Why aren't you bashing Triple H or Undertaker for not wrestling or making appearances every night, or Brock Lesnar for that matter, or Jericho for taking little vacations whenever the hell he feels like it.
Jericho does house shows and does a lot jobbing.
Gamerforlife wrote: You wanna know why? Because these guys have paid their dues and can essentially do whatever they want because they've earned it(well, that's debatable in Hunter's case, but I digress).
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Gamerforlife wrote: And no a champion should NOT defend his title as often as possible, because THAT is what devalues the title. A title defense should be a rare thing, something for people to be excited to tune in for or pay tickets for.
What the hell kind of sense does that make? How long some one holds a belt isn't what's impressive, how many times they can defend it and survive is what's impressive. By that logic you could win the world heavyweight championship in boxing or MMA once and just refuse to ever fight again. That would instantly make you the longest reigning champion in the history of the sport.
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I'm not a "Rock basher". I'm a huge fan of The Rock, and the Attitude Era in general. So no, it's not just me continually bashing on The Rock. And if I've been doing so long, as you pointed out, please, show it to me. I'm just calling it like I see it. In fact, I HATE Cena. I AM a Cena basher.

The Rock does deserve respect, and deserves recognition for all he's done. But that doesn't entitle him to being a half-assed champ. If he wants to be that huge superstar that returns to bask in the limelight of past accomplishments, then go to TNA. Or just show up to WWE for "appearances". Don't become the champion, then drop the ball. The Rock is NOT entitled to that because of past accomplishments.

To become a champion is a statement in wrestling. It means you are the man that is supposed to represent that company and to be a consummate wrestling professional. It's kind of hard for The Rock to do that when he's hardly around.
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I've already said everything I needed to say, and everything you're saying is the same stupid crap Rock bashers have been saying since last year's Mania. You all sound like a broken record and a bunch of whiners. Everything you said doesn't make sense. Why aren't you bashing Triple H or Undertaker for not wrestling or making appearances every night, or Brock Lesnar for that matter, or Jericho for taking little vacations whenever the hell he feels like it. Aren't they on WWE's payroll? Aren't they active members of their roster? If that's all there is to your argument, it's pretty weak.
None of them are the WWE Champion and they all have been on RAW more often since the last pay per view and the build up to Wrestlemania. You want to talk about devauling the championship? Put it on a part timer. There's a reason why Shawn Michaels never won the title again during his second run with the company. He didn't want to put in the time and effort to do what the champion has to do and we are talking about a guy that was still on TV almost every week. They have had this planned out or a year and the Rock couldn't commit to 2 months to showing up every week, let alone every other week? He's going to be gone again in another 3 weeks. There are a ton of things they could of used him for while being champion.
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is the kind of thing that jealous people who will never accomplish anything themselves say.
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Speaking of Cena... since it'll be close to NY, you think there's a chance he'll cut a heel promo if people start chanting "riot" when he wins?

Anyone care if the Undertaker busts a hip trying to fly outside? (Or Triple H when Brock flips him across the ring?)

Arm-bar vs Ankle-lock, the surprisingly-over-face Alberto Del Rio vs. where-did-he-come-back-from Jack Swagger?

Whatever the hell else they slapped together (The Shield? Mark Henry? Big E Langston? Really? Really??)
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Gamerforlife wrote:Actually, the Rock/Cena feud has so far been the best built up Mania feud so far. I'm GLAD we don't see Rock every week. Less is more, something few people in the world understand unfortunately. His last face off with Cena was really good and they can ride on that for a while with those well done video packages. I'm glad Cena got interrupted last night, because he clearly had nothing interesting to say. I just think it sucks that they tried putting him over for his match with the Rock with a win over a nobody. They could have at least had him fight Jericho, seeing as how they're not doing ANYTHING with Y2J that's worth a damn right now.
How in the world is less more in this case? How is seeing less of The Rock a good thing? Especially since he's the WWE Champions, he should be respresenting the company every week on Raw. And who doesn't want to see more of The Rock?
Agreed. I feel sorry for people paying top dollar to go watch Raw live and not being able to see the top guy. I'd feel cheated.

I sort of see the less is more argument, but it doesn't work. The less title defenses argument makes sense if the title rarely switches hands, let's say once or twice a year. The problem with the John Cena-era is that the title has been de-valued, which Punk has partly rectified. However The Rock has undone that work by being a phony champion. You're the top guy, you should be on every show as the Main Eventers are what draws the public in. I don't watch WWE to see who's scrapping it out for the US Title, or what the Divas are up to this week, the arcing storyline is geared around the WWE Champion, with mini-storylines coming off of that. Remember when Stone Cold had to deal with the defense of his title, as well as Vince and co. Or Triple H had Foley and Rock to deal with, whilst being involved with the DX storylines. Punk had The Shield, Rock, Cena and even Ryback crossing his paths, it's what makes the show exciting. The lack of a Champ on Raw is madness as Cena is stuck in a random match. If The Rock had sent an apprentice in his place (the kid in the Cena gear from last year?) that was clearly a joke maybe? Or filmed a scene of him paying large sums of money to the APA to rough up Cena? Just something that means he is involved still.

Comparing The Rock to Triple H and Undertaker's sporadic appearances is pointless, as they are clearly semi-retired, not holding a belt and don't spend every day in the gym getting ripped. The Rock is in better shape than half of the WWE roster, I understand he has promotional work in London to do but then they shouldn't have stuck the damn title on him.
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Can I just point out how the ratings went up since The Rock became champ? FACT. Or the fact that Rock vs Cena was the highest grossing match in wrestling history? Because I can sit here and prove you guys wrong all day, but I'm not gonna waste my time. Stubborn people will never just admit defeat, they just drag the fight out for as long as they can.

Those are all valid reasons for The Rock being worthy of the title. Now I would have preferred Punk keeping it, but that's only because I think streak vs streak with Taker would have been awesome, not because The Rock is not deserving of holding that title in 2013. He's good for business. You guys can ignore that all you want, but it's the truth. Anyway, I'll just leave you with a few words from some WWE legends


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1103 ... tery-hater

Thanks JR, I'm sick of the Rock bashing whiners too. They need to grow up
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Gamerforlife wrote:Can I just point out how the ratings went up since The Rock became champ? FACT. Or the fact that Rock vs Cena was the highest grossing match in wrestling history? Because I can sit here and prove you guys wrong all day, but I'm not gonna waste my time. Stubborn people will never just admit defeat, they just drag the fight out for as long as they can.

Those are all valid reasons for The Rock being worthy of the title. Now I would have preferred Punk keeping it, but that's only because I think streak vs streak with Taker would have been awesome, not because The Rock is not deserving of holding that title in 2013. He's good for business. You guys can ignore that all you want, but it's the truth. Anyway, I'll just leave you with a few words from some WWE legends


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1103 ... tery-hater

Thanks JR, I'm sick of the Rock bashing whiners too. They need to grow up
Again, as I pointed out already and you chose to ignore: I'm a Rock fan, not a Rock basher. If I'm an anyone basher, I'm definetly a Cena basher.

You're absolutely right that ratings have gone up since Rock became champion. You want to know why? Because people want to see The Rock. But instead of seeing him, he's off playing Hollywood or doing whatever it is he's doing and the people that are watching to see him, or paying for a ticket to see him, are getting cheated.

But you can keep hiding behind the illusion that all of us are "Rock bashers" (even though I'm a Rock fan and a fan of the Attitude Era in general), and that every single one us are doing it just to hate on the Rock. ...please. :roll:
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Gamerforlife wrote:Can I just point out how the ratings went up since The Rock became champ? FACT. Or the fact that Rock vs Cena was the highest grossing match in wrestling history? Because I can sit here and prove you guys wrong all day, but I'm not gonna waste my time. Stubborn people will never just admit defeat, they just drag the fight out for as long as they can.

Those are all valid reasons for The Rock being worthy of the title. Now I would have preferred Punk keeping it, but that's only because I think streak vs streak with Taker would have been awesome, not because The Rock is not deserving of holding that title in 2013. He's good for business. You guys can ignore that all you want, but it's the truth. Anyway, I'll just leave you with a few words from some WWE legends


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1103 ... tery-hater

Thanks JR, I'm sick of the Rock bashing whiners too. They need to grow up
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Gamerforlife wrote:I can sit here and prove you guys wrong all day...
...while conveniently ignoring Razzmatazz's post :roll:
Gamerforlife wrote:...but I'm not gonna waste my time. Stubborn people will never just admit defeat, they just drag the fight out for as long as they can.
You can not win a game of chess by knocking over the chess table, walking out of the game and proclaiming that you just won the game.
Gamerforlife wrote:He's good for business. You guys can ignore that all you want, but it's the truth.
And why should people who don't own WWE's stocks, in other words the fans, care about what's good for business? I dont care what's good for business, I care what's entertaining. John Cena is good for business. Triple H is good for business. The Great Khali has in theory the potential to be better for business than Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold, The Rock or John Cena.
Gamerforlife wrote: Thanks JR, I'm sick of the Rock bashing whiners too. They need to grow up
Nice strawman you got there. Wishing that the champion would actually appear in the show and defend his title, like all the other champions before him did !=hating on The Rock/disregarding his merits and contributions to the business

That article is from last year. The Rock wasn't the champion back then.
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