What's The Real Appeal of the PS3 At This Point?

[Mozgus]

And - uhmm.. I'd like to know how 200 titles (most of which you can play, however with choppy sound) out of 7,000+ constitutes as "terrible".

You've tested 7000 games on your PS3?

No you haven't, and neither has Sony. They've only tested some of the best selling titles, and the majority of those have had problems. I'm sure they'll improve it with time, but this just isn't the same selling point that the PS2 relied on.

As we've seen with 360, previous generation backwards compatibility sucks when it relies on emulation.

I didn't think we were arguing quality Mozgus.

I am. When all I can chose from are Pixar movie adaptions....you get the point.

[metaleggman]

Actually the PStwo is the one with great backwards compatability. The PS2 (the thick one) had problem with certain games because of faster load times and stuff like that.

[Mozgus]

Actually the PStwo is the one with great backwards compatability. The PS2 (the thick one) had problem with certain games because of faster load times and stuff like that.

Only if you enabled those options. You weren't required to. In fact it was a hassle to, because the options never saved, which means you had to enable them every boot up.

[Indy_aka_Rex]

And - uhmm.. I'd like to know how 200 titles (most of which you can play, however with choppy sound) out of 7,000+ constitutes as "terrible".

You've tested 7000 games on your PS3?

No you haven't, and neither has Sony. They've only tested some of the best selling titles, and the majority of those have had problems. I'm sure they'll improve it with time, but this just isn't the same selling point that the PS2 relied on.

As we've seen with 360, previous generation backwards compatibility sucks when it relies on emulation.

I didn't think we were arguing quality Mozgus.

I am. When all I can chose from are Pixar movie adaptions....you get the point.

PS3 does not do emulation. PS3 has an embedded PS2 EE and GS into the hardware.

[Mozgus]

PS3 does not do emulation. PS3 has an embedded PS2 EE and GS into the hardware.

If that's true then it's something that was discovered fairly recently. Last time I read, it was going to be using strictly emulation and contain no previous playstation hardware.

And if that's true, that also might explain why PS2 games are having a much better success rate than the PS1 games.

[Indy_aka_Rex]

PS3 does not do emulation. PS3 has an embedded PS2 EE and GS into the hardware.

If that's true then it's something that was discovered fairly recently. Last time I read, it was going to be using strictly emulation and contain no previous playstation hardware.

And if that's true, that also might explain why PS2 games are having a much better success rate than the PS1 games.

It's been known for months actually. Sony will do software emu at a later date - unlike MS, they're working the kinks out before unveiling the feature - not fixing it as they go.

So it's possible within a year or 2 we'll see a firmware update - and I think it's rather obvious we'll see it, when the smaller/sleeker PSthree comes out, it's gonna need room and removing the PS2 chipset/board in favor of software emulated BC will be a necessity.

[metaleggman]

Actually the PStwo is the one with great backwards compatability. The PS2 (the thick one) had problem with certain games because of faster load times and stuff like that.

Only if you enabled those options. You weren't required to. In fact it was a hassle to, because the options never saved, which means you had to enable them every boot up.

Oh, i never knew that, tho i believe there were still problems with multi disc games on the PS2. but w/e...

PS3 does not do emulation. PS3 has an embedded PS2 EE and GS into the hardware.

If that's true then it's something that was discovered fairly recently. Last time I read, it was going to be using strictly emulation and contain no previous playstation hardware.

And if that's true, that also might explain why PS2 games are having a much better success rate than the PS1 games.

Here is wikipedia's take on your guys' "discussion"
Backward compatibility

Sony stated every PlayStation and PlayStation 2 game that observes its respective system's TRC (Technical Requirements Checklist) will be playable on PS3 at launch. SCE president Ken Kutaragi asked developers to adhere to the TRC to facilitate compatibility with future PlayStations, stating that the company was having some difficulty getting backward compatibility with games that had not followed the TRCs. It has been confirmed (image) that initial PS3 units include the CPU/rasterizer combination chip used in slim PS2 (EE+GS) to achieve backward compatibility.[47]

The PlayStation 3 does not include interfaces for legacy PlayStation devices, though IGN.com tested a legacy controller using a PS2-to-USB adapter, finding that it is compatible, though most other devices (such as the Guitar Hero controller) may not be compatible.[48] USB devices for PlayStation 2 may be compatible with PlayStation 3. A memory card adapter is available[1] so users can save their PS1/PS2 data[49] on to a virtual memory card in the hard drive. PlayStation 3 can use Memory Sticks to store save data for PlayStation and PlayStation 2 software.[50]

Glitches in the backwards compatibility have been reported by the media and Sony. At least 200 of the 8,000 games from the previous generations of the Playstation have problems such as dropped audio[51], freezes or controller malfunction[52]. Popular games reported to have this glitch include Final Fantasy, Tekken 5, and Gran Turismo. As of 2006-11-16, a firmware upgrade has been posted online by Sony that is intended to address some of these issues.[53]

also, the PS3 has never been explicitly said to contain any PS1 hardware. The PS2 had the PS1's proc as its I/O controller, so unless the cell includes that, i doubt it's not a form of emulation. The EE+GS only addresses PS2 backwards compatability. If someone has some hard proof, please, someone post it.

Also, Sony will be using emulation later on...
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NE ... 08/123308/

[Lan-Di]

Linux set-top box made for T.V.

[lordofduct]

Linux set-top box made for T.V.

They had that for the PS2 as well... oh wait, no one even remembers it!

What is really funny is you can find linux in the wild for just about any platform out there. You can get Linux on your iPod, your GBA, Dreamcast, XBOX, and a merriad of other architectures. This isn't new stuff and I'll doubly laugh if they try to sell it! Open-Source my brother...


I also just watched Saraph's video of PS3 booting fedora core. My Pentium 3 with 64 megs of RAM boots fedora faster then that... personally though I'm an Ubuntu kinda guy. It's cute and my girlfriend can use it with out scratching her head and throwing it or my ibook through the wall.

[Mozgus]

But what exactly can you do in PS3 Linux? Why is it better than a PC? I don't get it.