There's a lot banter above me!
Indy_aka_Rex wrote: Again, a mini-speaker on a remote that is hardly audible != immersion. And PL II is not a substitute for 5.1, at all.
Well you've yet to hear the "mini-speaker" so good call. Pro Logic II isn't a substitute for you, but it sure is for the "newcomers" you say the Wii won't get. These are the people less interested in the cutting edge components and I really don't care about discussing "gear" any further.
unnecessary crap like "Oh the rifle's shooting and my controller's vibrating!" thatt's hardly using the functionality.
So let's turn off the rumble if we don't like it, and let the majority of gamers, who find it to be the natural extension of the experience that it is, have it. Sony yesterday admitted it was cut for "cost" - the PS3 would've costed too much with it...imagine that.
I can simulate that through a proper 5.1 - 7.1 interactive set-up with a subwoofer.
That you're sitting on top of. Sound and bass do not simulate the weight of the character you're controlling. If anything, they project more of a focus on the game environment...when it's the character and the character's actions that need the most attention and input.
From these speakers, you get the same audible response you would from a movie, whereas the controller creates a different and more direct sensation/response in your hand, where the subconcious remembers your own action. But I suppose it's more important to have thumping override the OST, and attempt to replace the movement of your hands after events that would entail it.
when in a year, nobody's bothering with the console and instead going for 360 and PS3.
Because there's no popular or pick-up-and-play games coming out next year, right? Remember what you said right there.
It has outsold it worldwide? No. Again - it has outsold the PSP quite considerably in
JAPAN. Maybe you didn't click the links that... you know - prove otherwise. Because apparently the DS hasn't outsold the PSP "quite considerably" elsewhere. Excluding Japan, the DS has a mere 1-2 million more units than the PSP, and in the US had it not been for the lite, the margin between the 2 would've been a mere 100,000 - and mostly due to DS' 5 month lead.
The DS has outsold the PSP worldwide. "Worldwide" doesn't mean "every region with no exception". It's a cumulative/conglomoratory/combination/all-in-one thingie/total of all the world's sales. Second, it was you who didn't read your links which you tell me "prove otherwise". Not only are they one of many innacurate figures, but they're for units "shipped". That doesn't mean sold. Nokia shipped many, many N-Gages - and sold eleven. Of course, Sony had to have replenished the units they did sell, but millions remain on the shelves, worldwide. You notice how Sony doesn't like to publically say how many PSPs were
sold, like they do with everything else? It's because the DS
sold well over 20 million units, and the PSP was trailing, with not even that amount shipped at last check (because they're selling slower).
I am absolutely finished with this DS vs PSP thing. You were just looking for ways to disagree with everything I said and this doesn't have anything to do with controllers. Perhaps it's because this fight seems parallel to the upcoming PS3/Wii one?
Prior to DS's release, there were about ten people who hated the idea for every one that liked it, and it sold 20+ milllion. The like-to-hate ratio for Wii is considerably higher than the massive disdain the former saw, so the figures would say - it's going to outsell underwear and food.
In all seriousness, no one needs to defend the DS. It's proven itself a great machine even had the sales not reached the records they have. The DS is extremely playable, moreso than the PSP which instead directs itself to the struggling media-multiverse. The PSP isn't as important or inventive, and won't be remembered as fondly as the DS.
Umm, I'd rather have one controller than 3, count em, 3. The Wii-Mote, the Nun chuck, and the Retro Pad. I think that entire first sentence pretty much says it. I'd rather have one, light, unnoticeable accessory then 3 controllers I have to go through before I start playing a game. This is why I laughed when Nintendo released the $250 price tag. I realized at this point that controllers would be $80-100 just to get everything for 4 people.
Let's bring this to a worst case scenario:
Wii+$90+$90+$90+$90+$50 = $660
PS3+$40+$40+$40+$40+$60 = $820
Wow, do you really believe this?
Let me finish your cost totaling:
Wii=$660?+a DS+extra batteries+soda+Memory Cards+the Gamecube library = $$$
PS3 =$820?+PSP+50' Samsung LCD HDTV+Panasonic 7.1 Surround+ Memory Sticks+PSP+ the complete Playstation and Playstation 2 games library = $$$
My point is, there's no end to making the most of your systems. Would you really have bought all those things you listed? Do you
really need them?
Disregaring that your pricing scheme is untrue and ultra absurd...first, you don't need three controllers to "start playing a game" (if you meant for using; and the nunchuk isn't a controller), secondly, most all multiplayer games shown use
solely the remote, and the classic controller will in all likelihood require no more than one purchase; and really only considering if you plan to download SNES or N64 games. People interested in playing those classics with you in multiplayer could very well own their own controller or a Gamecube controller, assuming you didn't have an extra or two. You didn't have to buy 4 Xboxes to play your LAN Halo, did you? If twenty dollars is too much, have someone buy or bring controllers you don't have yourself. Gamecube controllers are around $10 at EB and $2 at yard sales and thrift stores. And the Wii remote should work fine for NES, TG-16 and a lot of the better Genesis games.
The $20 Nunchuks : You get one in the box with your system and remote, but extra nunchuks are sold seperately for $20. So you bought three extra contollers for 360 at $150 total? You say you have to buy three Wii controller-nunchuk combos at $180? Too expensive! But you'll probably get a few games for each system to put them to good use, right? So you buy 5 PS3 or 360 games at $300 total...and then five $40-50 Wii games for under $250. You just made the $30 nunchuk difference...and then some. The Wii was cheaper after all (because the $250 Wii broke your bank compared to the PS3 at a meager $500-600). So look past the hardware, "easy-out" accessories, and furious forum-going, and you'll get a better and less costly image than what was already a less costly one to begin with. If you're that quick to consider every high and low price point, consider that
the games are cheaper, among other things.
On this topic, I've said everything possible at some point, so I really don't have the patience to do it all again.
I'll copy and paste my old arguments on the next post.
useless nunchuck
They use it to make the controller more stable, and as a targeting device like guns, etc., and not as a Boktai "solar sensor". So, developers won't use it at all (ever), the layer that offers a fixed algorithm for motion-based game control...? If it were so unimportant, there wouldn't be any Wii vs. PS3 control-complaining, because their controls wouldn't different enough to warrant seperate play experiences. 
Though simple, it's the nearest thing there is to "touching/feeling" the game and creating a felt reality (DS touch functionality notwithstanding). 
