Is the Sega Saturn overrated?

[Siren]

I was initially in a state of denial that this thread even exists. How can you call yourself a gamer if you can't appreciate the Saturn? Not feigned appreciation just to be "in the loop" or whatever, but the genuine kind; the kind that says you stayed up long nights even when you had classes the next day playing Darkstalker's Revenge, Darkseed, NiGHTS, PDS, Wachenroder, Burning Rangers, Soukyuugurentai, Battle Garegga, NOON, etc, etc, etc. Already I've mentioned more quality games than the list of "best" Wii games the average Wii fanboys regurgitate ad nauseum whenever you tell them it's a fad and a joke (I only play Gamecube games on my Wii. lol. But one of these days I'll pick up Sin and Punishment 2.). If any system is overrated it's that one.

Besides, PSX stole the mainstream limelight while Saturn kinda was chillin' in the background bein' sexy. Just my two cents.

[BoringSupreez]

I was initially in a state of denial that this thread even exists. How can you call yourself a gamer if you can't appreciate the Saturn? Not feigned appreciation just to be "in the loop" or whatever, but the genuine kind; the kind that says you stayed up long nights even when you had classes the next day playing Darkstalker's Revenge, Darkseed, NiGHTS, PDS, Wachenroder, Burning Rangers, Soukyuugurentai, Battle Garegga, NOON, etc, etc, etc. Already I've mentioned more quality games than the list of "best" Wii games the average Wii fanboys regurgitate ad nauseum whenever you tell them it's a fad and a joke (I only play Gamecube games on my Wii. lol. But one of these days I'll pick up Sin and Punishment 2.). If any system is overrated it's that one.

Besides, PSX stole the mainstream limelight while Saturn kinda was chillin' in the background bein' sexy. Just my two cents.

Apparently, "chillin' in the background bein' sexy" now has the same meaning as "bankrupting the company and ruining consumer confidence in the brand."

[Siren]

Well, that too of course. But just because something didn't sell particularly well, does not necessarily mean that it's a failure. Because whenever someone brings up a ridiculous argument like that, they are basically equating "failure" with "sales," which is pretty damn silly. Who cares about sales? Zelda TP sold a shitload of copies, and yet for any gamer with the motor skills of a mature adult, the game is dreadfully dull.

It's not about sales, it's about quality. Most people can't tell the difference, anyway. Which explains why they prefer to spend their money on bore fests like Epic Mickey.

"Hey, the Dreamcast sucks too, because it wasn't very profitable in comparison to Sony's PS2. Games suck in general. yadda yadda yadda."

Pardon my cynicism and dick attitude, it's just how I feel on the matter.

[equalsign]

I was initially in a state of denial that this thread even exists. How can you call yourself a gamer if you can't appreciate the Saturn? Not feigned appreciation just to be "in the loop" or whatever, but the genuine kind; the kind that says you stayed up long nights even when you had classes the next day playing Darkstalker's Revenge, Darkseed, NiGHTS, PDS, Wachenroder, Burning Rangers, Soukyuugurentai, Battle Garegga, NOON, etc, etc, etc. Already I've mentioned more quality games than the list of "best" Wii games the average Wii fanboys regurgitate ad nauseum whenever you tell them it's a fad and a joke (I only play Gamecube games on my Wii. lol. But one of these days I'll pick up Sin and Punishment 2.). If any system is overrated it's that one.

Besides, PSX stole the mainstream limelight while Saturn kinda was chillin' in the background bein' sexy. Just my two cents.

I find it pretty easy to call myself a gamer and not appreciate the Saturn. I love it when self entitled fanboys jump into threads and start saying "If you don't like __________________ you're not hardcore (or a true gamer)." People have different tastes.

OVERRATED =/= BAD
It is not a value judgement. Halo is overrated, but that doesn't mean it's a bad game whatsoever.

Agree with Twilight Princess being a bore fest though.

Here's what I'm saying: If you haven't played Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together you cannot call yourself a gamer, I don't respect you, and I'm going to foe you. Burn in hell noob.
/sarcasm

[Jmustang1968]

I find it pretty easy to call myself a gamer and not appreciate the Saturn. I love it when self entitled fanboys jump into threads and start saying "If you don't like __________________ you're not hardcore (or a true gamer)." People have different tastes.

Agree with Twilight Princess being a bore fest though.

Here's what I'm saying: If you haven't played Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together you cannot call yourself a gamer, I don't respect you, and I'm going to foe you.
/sarcasm

Hey TO:LUCT is amazing!!

[pepharytheworm]

Well, that too of course. But just because something didn't sell particularly well, does not necessarily mean that it's a failure. Because whenever someone brings up a ridiculous argument like that, they are basically equating "failure" with "sales," which is pretty damn silly. Who cares about sales? Zelda TP sold a shitload of copies, and yet for any gamer with the motor skills of a mature adult, the game is dreadfully dull.

It's not about sales, it's about quality. Most people can't tell the difference, anyway. Which explains why they prefer to spend their money on bore fests like Epic Mickey.

"Hey, the Dreamcast sucks too, because it wasn't very profitable in comparison to Sony's PS2. Games suck in general. yadda yadda yadda."

Pardon my cynicism and dick attitude, it's just how I feel on the matter.

I am just taking a stab in the dark, but did your Wii abuse you? If so there is help call 1-800-WII-HELP, someone is there to help 24/7. Remember we would like to help.

[equalsign]

Hey TO:LUCT is amazing!!

It IS though. Been waiting years to play it and with the PSP version I finally jumped in. This game is a feast for those who love serious business SRPGs! So epic.

[Siren]

OVERRATED =/= BAD
It is not a value judgement. Halo is overrated, but that doesn't mean it's a bad game whatsoever.

I can agree with this mentality (not your example, though) in some cases, but it CAN in other cases mean that not only was the game given too much praise for it's merits, but the game flat out sucked. On the other side, a game that is said to be "underrated" with positive connotations (Okami, Ico, etc.) can be a shitty game in someone else's eyes.

Overrate verb: to rate, value, or estimate too highly.

I love it when self entitled fanboys jump into threads and start saying "If you don't like __________________ you're not hardcore (or a true gamer)." People have different tastes.

That is very true that taste is subjective, but you're not really bothering to pursue that truth any further. Not everyone has great taste. I mean, come on man, haven't you ever come across people who you were astounded that they liked games which you thought to be bad? That alone implies rank, of both taste and videogame merit. In the world you're living in, everyone takes games with the same amount of seriousness as everyone else, which is flat out not true. Arcade addicts fork up thousands of dollars for PCBs of some of the greatest games ever made. And even if they were ported to home console (see: Ketsui) they would be widely ignored in favor of simplistic games like Portal (my main problem with that game is that, it would be so much more fun if combat was involved in some way, and not just the end boss. But I'll save that for my review.) and Dokapon Kingdom. The reality is that some of the greatest games do go unappreciated, many people do not have good taste, and people are more passive/enthusiastic about games than others. I have noticed this firsthand many, many times.

Since nothing captures the essence of gaming like the arcade, and the Saturn practically is an "arcade for home," then that tells me a lot about people who negate its importance.

And I am not a "fanboy," because I am smart enough to acknowledge that there are plenty of shitty Sega Saturn games. What I had a problem with the OP's post for was, calling something this low-key in popularity "overrated" is simply absurd. It's like saying, "Wow, I can't believe those fifteen people are the only ones who enjoyed that movie. It must be overrated." Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? If there wasn't much praise to begin with, then how could you say it has too much? Maybe you should read a dictionary?

I am just taking a stab in the dark, but did your Wii abuse you? If so there is help call 1-800-WII-HELP, someone is there to help 24/7. Remember we would like to help.

...I get it, you're trying to be funny. With all due respect, it's not working.

[equalsign]

Maybe you shouldn't be an ass? "Herp derp read a dictionary." Really? You just come over from the IGN forums? Value judgement was the wrong term. Taking apart an argument by attacking word choice is a weak way to try and discredit someone. You know what I meant.

If you think Halo is a BAD game you have your pretentious head up your butt. Carnival Games is a BAD game. Barbie Horse Racing is a BAD game. Halo's fine.

I couldn't quite tell if you were saying whether Dokapon Kingdom was a good or bad game. That section of your writing was unclear. I really enjoyed it though.

Also, I'm pretty sure the OP was talking about it being overrated on this forum. People talk like the Saturn is REALLY AWESOME BEST SEGA SYSTEM 2D GRAPHIX! On this forum, I think the Saturn is extremely overrated, unless you're an individual with certain niche tastes.

The main point of what I was saying was that having such a narrow definition of a "gamer" is plain silly. You didn't really address that.


Note: Blue text on this forum means sarcasm. I had trouble understanding the joke as well though.

[Siren]

Value judgement was the wrong term. Taking apart an argument by attacking word choice is a weak way to try and discredit someone.

Oh jeez. It is the best way to discredit one's opinion, and I highly suggest you try it sometime (especially when you are meticulously detailed in providing reasons why they are wrong). This is how arguments work, after all. If I see something that doesn't add up or a contradiction in my adversary's posts, then why wouldn't I point them out to him?

I'm done with this discussion. I don't want to get banned, and I've lost all respect for you, so let's end it here before a flame breaks out. There are plenty of intelligent people in this forum who I would rather speak to instead.

You just come over from the IGN forums?

Incredibly insulting. I can't stand that cesspool.