The SNES sucks and you suck for liking it. Nintendo<Sega

[D.D.D.]

Ok, what I wanna know is; why anytime there was a dual-release for these systems, the SNES port usually seemed more polished; better sound, visuals, control.

Hmmm?

Okay... deep breath... I'm going to try to remain fair and unbiased in my opinions here:

While this is indeed the case with a lot of games, infact most of them, it's not the case with all of them. Usually this occurred because those games were originally programmed for the SNES and then ported to the Genesis without any concern that the Genesis and SNES have different strengths and weaknesses. The result was games with washed out colors and tinny music due to thoughtless conversions.

Konami was one of the companies that eventually caught on to this and cared enough to start making different games for the Genesis, like Contra Hard Corps and Castlevania Bloodlines, that catered to its style and ability. The result was awesome new installments in those classic series.

The Aladdin games are another example of two good games, two different versions.

EA games like the Strike series are optimized more for the Genesis and play better on it. The Takara ports of the SNK fighters are hit and miss (and none of them are very good compared to the real Neo Geo versions but I digress). Most are better on the SNES but I feel Fatal Fury 2 is better on the Genesis because the plane switching is intact among other things. I also like Samurai Shodown better on the Genesis. The SNES version includes Earthquake but at the price of having the game play in zoomed out perspective the whole time, and of course the SNES version's blood is edited out.

And speaking of blood there's always the whole Mortal Kombat is better on Genesis thing but honestly that's not really a big win considering Nintendo got its head out of its rear and allowed them to release a superior version of MK2, unedited (though the 32X has pretty much the definitive home release of MK2, but that's not important here).

The SNES Thunder Spirits is also vastly inferior to Thunderforce 3 which it's based on with loads of slowdown, worse music and somehow not as interesting graphics. The SNES is not a strong system for shmups in general and slowdown is a frequent issue. There are some real gems like the ones I named earlier and the SNES has the better SWIV game (Firepower 2000) but overall if you're into 16-bit shmups at all you probably have or want a PC-Engine and a Genesis for that.

I completely disagree about the SNES games having the better controlling versions unless you mean you prefer the controller itself. If anything this is one area where Genesis ports often came out on top with often more responsive controls and smoother scrolling. The Lion King is one title that comes to mind where you can argue that the sound and visuals are better on the SNES but the gameplay feels more natural on the Genesis.

Earthworm Jim is one notable example where the Genesis version came first and it's also the better version. The SNES version has stretched graphics and butchered music. The SNES version does have the better version of the sequel however.

As for sound in general goes it's really a matter of opinion. Personally I love the sound on both consoles, they each have their own style. I know a lot of people who hate all of the reverb in SNES music and feel it sounds very muffled though I'm not one of those people. If the developer put effort into making it sound good, it sounded good. If they didn't. It didn't.

And lastly even some of the games that are seen as the inferior ports like Sunset Riders and TMNT: Hyperstone Heist are different enough from their SNES counterparts that they're worth playing. As I mentioned earlier ZAMN is better on the SNES objectively but there are still a few reasons (like the Neighbor Radar) for some to prefer the Genesis version.

Nice post~

[MulishaSoldier929]

The 16bit war was silly since it was mostly caused by the fact that you only had one or the other growing up and not usually both so lines were drawn. Where as now I do have both systems and have the best of both worlds

But if there is one thing the SNES didn't have which is why it will always be 2nd place it was BLAST PROCESSING!

And speaking of blood there's always the whole Mortal Kombat is better on Genesis thing but honestly that's not really a big win considering Nintendo got its head out of its rear and allowed them to release a superior version of MK2, unedited (though the 32X has pretty much the definitive home release of MK2, but that's not important.

"Here is a game that's only real selling point is the blood and gore, so lets get rid of that."
-Nintendo Logic

[D.D.D.]

The 16bit war was silly since it was mostly caused by the fact that you only had one or the other growing up and not usually both so lines were drawn.

I guess I was in the minority... I had all 3: SNES,GEN, & TG16 (poor TG16, everyone forgets you). Most of the time when friends were arguing on the field at lunch, I usually just listened and when I heard praise of a title I hadn't played I then had a new game to check out regardless of platform.

[AppleQueso]

With that comment, you have just revealed that you have never played the game.

No, what I have revealed is that I'm aware that CIV was designed without diagonal whipping in mind, and you aren't.

There was even a video posted in this thread and it's very noticiable in the game itself.

I don't think it makes it a control issue as much as it makes it a design issue.

[harper]

But if there is one thing the SNES didn't have which is why it will always be 2nd place it was BLAST PROCESSING!

You wanna know what I have to say about that?

:roll:

[ZeroAX]

To some of us, Racketboy is treated as a side quest in and of itself.

lol, noob. Racketboy is the MAIN quest. The games are the side quests. Don't you realize you complete side quests to gain experience, items and achievements to help you out in the main quest line?

We also got together the other day and fought a main quest boss (the dramatizing scammer troll). Good stuff people, keep up the good work

[isiolia]

The 16bit war was silly since it was mostly caused by the fact that you only had one or the other growing up and not usually both so lines were drawn. Where as now I do have both systems and have the best of both worlds

I had both, eventually, and so did some of my friends (but not all).

But, I agree with the logic, and hold the general sentiment that console fanboyism is for children. Children have to vehemently defend whatever they happened to get for Christmas. Adults can go buy both if they really want to.

(don't get me wrong, I'll discuss the merits of different systems all day, I just don't think there needs to be a "winner")

[ZeroAX]

I had both, eventually, and so did some of my friends (but not all).

But, I agree with the logic, and hold the general sentiment that console fanboyism is for children. Children have to vehemently defend whatever they happened to get for Christmas. Adults can go buy both if they really want to.

(don't get me wrong, I'll discuss the merits of different systems all day, I just don't think there needs to be a "winner")

The problem is when you DECIDE to only own 1/2 out of the 3 consoles and people ask you why you preferred that one, only to attack you for your opinions. I've seen it happen all too often.

[Gunstar Green]

I think it occurs most frequently with SNES and Genesis because both consoles are extremely well rounded and both have something for everyone so a fan is likely to react negatively if someone says something like "I don't like this console because I like _____ genre." It causes the other person to get defensive because they feel _____ genre is healthily represented on their console as well. While they have their own styles they're as similar as they are different. It's not as cut and dry as stuff like Playstation vs. N64 where the differences in library and presentation are larger.

Also people get argumentative about technical specifications when it's a kind of a silly thing to argue about when you're a person who likes playing games with archaic technology in the first place. People again will get defensive if someone says "the SNES is too slow to do this" or "the Genesis has bad graphics."

When you grow up with one of the consoles and you've come to love everything about its particular vintage sometimes you have a hard time facing the reality that somebody else doesn't look upon it as fondly as you do and sees weaknesses where you see perfection.

[ZeroAX]

Also people get argumentative about technical specifications when it's a kind of a silly thing to argue about when you're a person who likes playing games with archaic technology in the first place. People again will get defensive if someone says "the SNES is too slow to do this" or "the Genesis has bad graphics."

When you grow up with one of the consoles and you've come to love everything about its particular vintage sometimes you have a hard time facing the reality that somebody else doesn't look upon it as fondly as you do and sees weaknesses where you see perfection.

I have to politely disagree mate. If the 16-bit era had one thing going for it, it was that both consoles were do different and unique, that it was one of the few generations that you were really missing A LOT if you didn't own both consoles.

The PS1, PS2 dominated their respective generations (meaning there were very few exclusives (in numbers) for the other consoles so unless you wanted Sega/Nintendo/MS games, there weren't a lot of reasons to own anything else than a Playstation.

And this gen, honestly I have trouble understanding why anyone "compares" the 360 to the PS3. They might as well be one machine. I mean I had the money to buy a cheap 360 slim, and I thought about it and I only wanted to play the Banjo Kazooie games (the N64 ports mostly). Not because it didn't have good games, of course it has. But I can find them all on the PS3 and PC.

At least when the Mega Drive and SNES existed ports could be so different that it was worth getting both versions.