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EvilRyu2099 wrote:
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Right. Completely different thing altogether. CDs cost fuck all to produce. We're talking pennies per disc. Cartridges cost more to produce. That's a fact. How have they screwed over their customers when that's all they have had since the beginning If you didn't like it, then you didn't buy it. Simple as. What are people that don't buy their products? They're definitely not called customers that's for certain.
NIntendo wanted to keep the cartidge format for their own reasons.. That's why many third party developers jumped shipped.. It was their selfish reason to why they kept on with it..

My argument still applies. If you didn't like it, don't buy it. Nobody forced anybody to buy Nintendo's products. Who cares what format they produce games in, Nintendo chose cartridges due to the benefits (better safeguard against piracy, in built save functionality, no load times, more durability) and inevitably they paid the price in low sales. Doesn't matter though, because they made money on every single console sold from day one so they still made a profit.
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Fucking over customers means that they have done shitty things to you since becoming a customer. IE when Sony removed Linux from your PS3 system. When your system breaks they charge you an extortionate amount to have it fixed when their competitors do it for free up to three years after you bought it for the same issues. Removing support for third party controllers for no reason what-so-ever. That's fucking your customers over. Having codes for online? That's a minor irritation at best, and like I said; If you don't like it, then don't use them. It's not like they implemented a system similar to XBL/PSN and then decided to remove it in favour of game codes. It was there from the start.
There you go hating as usual.. It seems like 80% of your posts spew crap on how this or that sucks.. Get over it, Xbox had no choice but to not charge for repair because their consoles were failing at more than a 400% rate of the others.. And you seem to be anal about the remove OS, yes it sucks but get over it.. MS bans consoles for any type of modding, along with charging for online multiplayer like an MMO.. Nintendo has limited HDD space and charges fairly high for old emulated ports of classic games..
They still screwed me over. I used Linux, a lot. I used it for emulation on my TV where it wasn't practical to have a PC hooked up to it. Sony removed a feature I factored in when I purchased the damn machine. Just because it was a niche feature and not everybody used it doesn't mean it wasn't valuable. You don't understand my point. MS bans consoles for modding because it's against their TOS. I'm fully aware that Sony can ban my PS3 from PSN should I access it. I don't though, because cheating is rife on that system even before CFW and jailbreak came about. Again, you mis-read my argument, Microsoft charges for Xbox Live, I know that. However, if you don't like it, you don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you to pay for it. If paying for online access troubles you, then you look for an alternative and deal with the drawbacks of that particular system. They all have them.

"Nintendo has limited HDD space" again, what's your point? "charges fairly high for old emulated ports of classic games" again, don't like it, don't be a customer.
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If you're going to pick an argument with me, at least come up with an actual argument. Seriously don't know why you seem to have this vendetta against me. Is it because I called your precious GT5 a piece of shit?
I have no vendetta against you.. BUt sure you seem to have one against Sony.. And I loved how you were already ripping GT5 in that thread even though you never played it prior to posting in that thread.. It was also pretty clear you trolled later on in said thread..
I have a vendetta against Sony because they screwed me over. In my own little way, my little protest, even if it changes one person's mind about being a Sony customer it's worth it. It means that not only have they lost my business for life, but they've also lost another. Thanks to the removal of OtherOS they've most likely lost plenty more as well. That's Sony's problem, they burned their bridges, pissed off the hackers and they're getting butt-fucked for it. About time I say. Maybe they will learn and become a better company to their customers.

Regarding GT5, I have played it. The graphics are awful (and no, photo-mode doesn't count), the menu system is slow & clunky and it's the same damn game we've had since GT3 (come on, even the damn progression is the same). I'm just glad I rented that piece of crap, it is a massive disappointment. I honestly wanted it to be great. As said in my posts in the GT5 thread (go ahead you can check 'em if you want) I seriously hoped that it was going to be the holy grail system seller that the PS3 needed. It isn't. Far from it. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Niode wrote: My argument still applies. If you didn't like it, don't buy it. Nobody forced anybody to buy Nintendo's products. Who cares what format they produce games in, Nintendo chose cartridges due to the benefits (better safeguard against piracy, in built save functionality, no load times, more durability) and inevitably they paid the price in low sales. Doesn't matter though, because they made money on every single console sold from day one so they still made a profit.
Sony made a loss on each console so they could make it as affordable as they possibly could.. Dumb move, but I bet you didn't give a rats ass because in the end it was $599 and you probable thought it was sony being sony..
They still screwed me over. I used Linux, a lot. I used it for emulation on my TV where it wasn't practical to have a PC hooked up to it. Sony removed a feature I factored in when I purchased the damn machine. Just because it was a niche feature and not everybody used it doesn't mean it wasn't valuable. You don't understand my point. MS bans consoles for modding because it's against their TOS. I'm fully aware that Sony can ban my PS3 from PSN should I access it. I don't though, because cheating is rife on that system even before CFW and jailbreak came about. Again, you mis-read my argument, Microsoft charges for Xbox Live, I know that. However, if you don't like it, you don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you to pay for it. If paying for online access troubles you, then you look for an alternative and deal with the drawbacks of that particular system. They all have them.
I'm just pointing out issues from other companies.. The RROD was huge and fucked over a lot of people.. It just seems you are willing to bash Sony over the other OS removal.. I get it you're bitter, but mentioning it all the time is annoying.. I've been fucked over by MS countless times but I don't mention it all the time either.. I also was trying to edit my post on why there could have been a legit reason to why sony removed Other OS, but my fucking internet dropped right as I pressed "submit".. But, you could make the case that the PS3 could have been jailbroken a lot earlier if Other OS was still implemented, and they wanted to protect their investment.. I really don't see too much wrong with that other than the fact is was a little selfish..
I have a vendetta against Sony because they screwed me over. In my own little way, my little protest, even if it changes one person's mind about being a Sony customer it's worth it. It means that not only have they lost my business for life, but they've also lost another. Thanks to the removal of OtherOS they've most likely lost plenty more as well. That's Sony's problem, they burned their bridges, pissed off the hackers and they're getting butt-fucked for it. About time I say. Maybe they will learn and become a better company to their customers.
That's bullocks.. If anything Other Os probably would have jailbroken the PS3 even earlier.. Hackers are just using that as a bullshit excuse to what motivated them to actually jailbreak the console.. It still took 4 fucking years, more than most consoles ever have.. And that's another issue there, you probably used Other OS to play emulators and run games that were otherwise unauthorized...
Regarding GT5, I have played it. The graphics are awful (and no, photo-mode doesn't count), the menu system is slow & clunky and it's the same damn game we've had since GT3 (come on, even the damn progression is the same). I'm just glad I rented that piece of crap, it is a massive disappointment. I honestly wanted it to be great. As said in my posts in the GT5 thread (go ahead you can check 'em if you want) I seriously hoped that it was going to be the holy grail system seller that the PS3 needed. It isn't. Far from it. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
You didn't prior to writing your flames in that thread, I even ask you if you played it and you never responded to it.. It's easier to say that now when the game has been released two months.. And the progression is the same? Did you actually play the same game? The system is changed, they go by levels now FYI.. And you said it isn't a system seller? Tell me then, it sold 5.4 million copies already and in only 2 months is already the best selling exclusive for the ps3, along with the fact that the PS3 still outsold the Xbox 360 in a year where the Xbox had it's best year ever.. If you don't think GT5 had anything to do with that you are sadly mistaken sir..
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You still haven't actually responded to my argument, I never said that Microsoft didn't screw people over. Just because Microsoft maid a mistake over with the RRoD (which to be fair, they fixed for free) doesn't mean that Sony didn't screw their customers over, it's almost as if you're trying to argue that just because one company made a mistake, that it's ok for another company to screw customers? Anyway, I never even mentioned Microsoft until you brought it up, what the hell as that got to do with anything? I was talking about Nintendo...

Can we please get back on topic now?
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Niode wrote:You still haven't actually responded to my argument, I never said that Microsoft didn't screw people over. Just because Microsoft maid a mistake over with the RRoD (which to be fair, they fixed for free) doesn't mean that Sony didn't screw their customers over, it's almost as if you're trying to argue that just because one company made a mistake, that it's ok for another company to screw customers? Anyway, I never even mentioned Microsoft until you brought it up, what the hell as that got to do with anything? I was talking about Nintendo...

Can we please get back on topic now?
OK lets get to Nintendo.. They wanted to fend off piracy, but they also didn't want to use CD format and didn't believe it should be implemented in the development of games which in turn pissed off developers.. 3rd party programmers wanted to go to CD format, because it was much easier to develop and much more cost effective and Sony was willing to do that in the end.. There are notorious stories of Nintendo fucking over 3rd party developers prior to this generation.. It's also well documented that Nintendo fucked over Sony as well, although Sony did want a huge deal of the profit from their addon.. They may not have fucked customers, but indirectly they did by pissing off developers.. Still to this day, they don't have certain full third party support that the HD consoles posses.. I look at it like this, Nintendo used to have an amazing library of third party games, but for the last few generations it's been lacking..

Customers will be turned off by it along with many other shoddy features of the WII like crappy online.. Not to mention there are games where exploits are actually prevalent through online multiplayer like Mario Kart Wii or hacking prevalent like on Metroid Prime Hunters for DS.. I'd say it's certainly screwing customers over to a certain extent.. Point is you buy a Wii and DS and expect the same multiplayer experience as the Xbox and PS because it says it has the same Wi-Fi connection as the others, and in the end you' re getting more lag and crappy online features with games that are easily exploited.. I'd say that it's crapping on customers to a certain extent..

But Nintendo this gen is probably the best out of the 3 current companies.. I had that edited in my post before my internet dropped as well..

BTW I mentioned MS because, you mentioned the high repair costs of Sony which directly refers to MS and their RROD offering a longer warrantly and free repairs.. Nintendo Wii's rarely fail if at all, so I'm only assuming you were comparing Sony to MS in that department..

Overall I get that you don't like Sony, but it seems you are putting them above and beyond the others as wanting to fuck over people which in turn is ridiculous.. Do you really think that's Sony's motivation? Because it seems that way..
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EvilRyu2099 wrote:
Niode wrote:You still haven't actually responded to my argument, I never said that Microsoft didn't screw people over. Just because Microsoft maid a mistake over with the RRoD (which to be fair, they fixed for free) doesn't mean that Sony didn't screw their customers over, it's almost as if you're trying to argue that just because one company made a mistake, that it's ok for another company to screw customers? Anyway, I never even mentioned Microsoft until you brought it up, what the hell as that got to do with anything? I was talking about Nintendo...

Can we please get back on topic now?
OK lets get to Nintendo.. They wanted to fend off piracy, but they also didn't want to use CD format and didn't believe it should be implemented in the development of games which in turn pissed off developers.. 3rd party programmers wanted to go to CD format, because it was much easier to develop and much more cost effective and Sony was willing to do that in the end.. There are notorious stories of Nintendo fucking over 3rd party developers prior to this generation.. It's also well documented that Nintendo fucked over Sony as well, although Sony did want a huge deal of the profit from their addon.. They may not have fucked customers, but indirectly they did by pissing off developers.. Still to this day, they don't have certain full third party support that the HD consoles posses.. I look at it like this, Nintendo used to have an amazing library of third party games, but for the last few generations it's been lacking..

Customers will be turned off by it along with many other shoddy features of the WII like crappy online.. Not to mention there are games where exploits are actually prevalent through online multiplayer like Mario Kart Wii or hacking prevalent like on Metroid Prime Hunters for DS.. I'd say it's certainly screwing customers over to a certain extent.. Point is you buy a Wii and DS and expect the same multiplayer experience as the Xbox and PS because it says it has the same Wi-Fi connection as the others, and in the end you' re getting more lag and crappy online features with games that are easily exploited.. I'd say that it's crapping on customers to a certain extent..

But Nintendo this gen is probably the best out of the 3 current companies.. I had that edited in my post before my internet dropped as well..

BTW I mentioned MS because, you mentioned the high repair costs of Sony which directly refers to MS and their RROD offering a longer warrantly and free repairs.. Nintendo Wii's rarely fail if at all, so I'm only assuming you were comparing Sony to MS in that department..

Overall I get that you don't like Sony, but it seems you are putting them above and beyond the others as wanting to fuck over people which in turn is ridiculous.. Do you really think that's Sony's motivation? Because it seems that way..
*sigh* You still aren't getting my point. Seriously just move on.
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*sigh* You still aren't getting my point. Seriously just move on.
Agree to disagree then.. I do agree that Nintendo is better than the others this generation.. ;)
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I don't see how Microsoft "fixed it for free". A 1 year extension to the warranty does shit for me, when I keep my consoles for decades. Even if we are talking about the console lasting only as long as it's being sold in store, my cousin bought his 360 in 2006, and a couple of months ago it RRODed, so it didn't even last 5 years and it was out of warranty.

Also in the EU, it's not like MS is giving anything away with a 3 year warranty. By law, there should be at least 2.5 years of free warranty.
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ZeroAX wrote:I don't see how Microsoft "fixed it for free". A 1 year extension to the warranty does shit for me, when I keep my consoles for decades. Even if we are talking about the console lasting only as long as it's being sold in store, my cousin bought his 360 in 2006, and a couple of months ago it RRODed, so it didn't even last 5 years and it was out of warranty.

Also in the EU, it's not like MS is giving anything away with a 3 year warranty. By law, there should be at least 2.5 years of free warranty.
What would you rather have 3 years or 1 year? I know what I'd choose. Anyway, back on topic please.
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Niode wrote: What would you rather have 3 years or 1 year? I know what I'd choose. Anyway, back on topic please.
I don't understand what you are talking about.
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ZeroAX wrote:
Niode wrote: What would you rather have 3 years or 1 year? I know what I'd choose. Anyway, back on topic please.
I don't understand what you are talking about.
Warranty. Never mind.
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