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fastbilly1 wrote:
RyaNtheSlayA wrote:Windows 7 has been widely adopted, and is in fact more popular than XP at this point.


7 is widely adapted and is more popular than XP for new pcs, but it is no where near as used as XP:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operati ... 1&qprid=10


Hmmm. My source says otherwise:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/15/wind ... -a-corner/
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Hmm I dont know then. Statcounter and marketshare have differing info, by alot. And both are trustworthy sources
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kingmohd84 wrote:thanks guys for the support
I will be running this on my macbook 2 ghz core2dou, 6gb RAM, and I believe geforce 9400m graphics card.

I thought XP was backward compatible with 95. I want to play game like Phantasmagoria for example and Deus Ex and the like. Theme Park is an old game that I want to run for a very long time now.

If XP is not backward compatible then I See no reason to buy it over Windows7.

I have the idea that Windows XP is rock solid, and Windows7 is not as much. Is this a false belief? because I keep wonderin why have many not upgraded to 7 and we are in its the end of its life time?


A lot of Win9X software does run on XP. It's still a very different core OS.

Windows originally ran on top of DOS. Prior to 95, mostly you just quit out of Windows to run games. It wasn't uncommon to make a boot disk to configure the memory differently. When Windows 95 rolled around, MS put more libraries n' things in Windows to help it do better with games. Still most games that saw dual releases (Mechwarrior 2 for example) still ran better in straight up DOS, even if they took some extra steps to run. Plenty of games that had been in development were still targeted for DOS. Basically to say, there was a transition period.

Windows 95 was still technically Windows on top of DOS. Just not really separable. As I mentioned, you could restarted in MS-DOS mode, which would just give you a basic DOS 7 shell. Windows NT is based on a different OS core. NT 4.0 adopted the Win95 shell, but they're hardly the same.

The basic problem a lot of PC software has is playing by the rules, partly because the rules are a moving target.

More or less, as time has gone on, programs have been given less and less direct access to the underlying OS and hardware. In general, that's a good thing. An application crashes, and it's less likely to take the whole system with it.

With regard to games, however, DOS programs tend to access hardware directly. You'd set up your hardware per game. With Win95, you started having system libraries to use instead, but the OS was lax enough that games could still often just run in a DOS box and still work.

NT actually set harder limits on what programs could do, and progressively has enforced other things too. 2000 added a lot of the DirectX compatibility, and basic stuff like USB support. XP was, initially, just a few more bells and whistles on top of that.
Still, at the heart of it, it doesn't have the same core OS, and has stricter enforcement of what a program is or isn't allowed to do.

Vista got a lot of its bad rap for actually trying to do the right thing, so to speak. A lot of issues people had with it were less to do with the OS, and more to do with that their programs weren't written to conform to spec for Windows, and XP (and prior) just let them get away with it. Plenty of apps, for example, assumed a user was an administrator.
After the service packs n' all, it's really not that bad, but a big part of that was also an adjustment on the developer side.

7 had the benefit of a much longer, and much more public beta. On top of that, it's less stringent out of the box than Vista was.
Most of the impression of XP as a stable OS is just age. It's been around for a while, many of us are/were used to it, quirks and all. 7 is likely to be in the same situation - it has been largely very well received, works nicely for lots of people, and Windows 8 is somewhat controversial thus far, meaning many businesses/etc will likely not jump on it. Not sure where you got the impression that people hadn't moved to 7, as quite a lot have, at least in terms of "current" users.

One of the things with Vista and 7 is that the 64-bit versions may have issues with particularly old software as they don't run 16-bit Windows software. The 32-bit versions of the OSes do.
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RyaNtheSlayA wrote:We're nearing the end of 7's life. Windows 8 is around the corner, but apparently other than some UI changes and ARM support it's still the same OS.

End of retail life is different from end of OS life. Usually it's two OS generations behind that are end of OS life.
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Note that you don't need to choose. Install 7 and if you need XP for something, install it on another partition.

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Another option and no need to reboot, install Microsoft Virtual PC, it does work in the home version of Window 7 64 bit. Slipstream the Windows XP Pro disc with all three service packs onto a new CDR then install into Virtual PC. Might as well throw in DOS Box, then you can play most of the older games too. :mrgreen:
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General_Norris wrote:Note that you don't need to choose. Install 7 and if you need XP for something, install it on another partition.

I'm rocking XP until the day it rots! =p

The reason I won't buy both is that I don't want to pay for both, it just doesn't make sense especially when they are really expensive in my own opinion like $150-200 each.

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GOG seems interesting, but I don't think it will allow me to signup if I am outside the USA. Here are few questions:
1) Is GOG here to stay? Or is it a startup company that might go bankrupt any time soon?
2)How is it different from steam?
3) Do I need a GOG software to download/run the games or is it a service like Netflix or iTunes?
4)Do I have to be connected to the internet to run the games, or do they work off line?
5)Any one tried it outside of the USA?
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Say, Any one thought about installing windows 98 to play games :p
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kingmohd84 wrote:*******
GOG seems interesting, but I don't think it will allow me to signup if I am outside the USA. Here are few questions:
1) Is GOG here to stay? Or is it a startup company that might go bankrupt any time soon?
2)How is it different from steam?
3) Do I need a GOG software to download/run the games or is it a service like Netflix or iTunes?
4)Do I have to be connected to the internet to run the games, or do they work off line?
5)Any one tried it outside of the USA?
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1. Who can say for sure? It has been around for a bit though, and thus far only seems to be growing.

2. Unlike Steam, GoG does not have a client to run, and the games they sell have no DRM at all. There are advantages to Steam's model as well, but if your concern is being tied to a service/client, then GoG is probably more attractive.

3. No. What you buy you download straight from their website.

4. One of GoG's touted policies is that they don't use any kind of DRM for the games they sell.

5. I personally haven't, however, GoG is part of CD Projekt (the people who make the Witcher series), which is based in Poland. Another of the points they make on their About Us page is offering the same prices worldwide, so I'm fairly sure they do international sales.

If you're really concerned, there are several titles that GoG offers for free. Once you create an account they're shown in your collection.
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kingmohd84 wrote:*******
GOG seems interesting, but I don't think it will allow me to signup if I am outside the USA. Here are few questions:
1) Is GOG here to stay? Or is it a startup company that might go bankrupt any time soon?
2)How is it different from steam?
3) Do I need a GOG software to download/run the games or is it a service like Netflix or iTunes?
4)Do I have to be connected to the internet to run the games, or do they work off line?
5)Any one tried it outside of the USA?
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6)Say, Any one thought about installing windows 98 to play games :p

1. Id say so, Ive been a member there for alittle over three years now
2. Very - they have an optional downloader, but other than that it is downloading files directly from the site.
3. No client - but they do have a downloader
4. Nope, they work fine offline.
5. I have not, but I have several friends in the military who have accessed it from other countries. They are a worldwide company.
6. On your Macbook, no. You can install it in a virtual machine, or on older hardware, but dont install it on your current box - it will be a fight you will most likely lose.
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kingmohd84 wrote:The reason I won't buy both is that I don't want to pay for both, it just doesn't make sense especially when they are really expensive in my own opinion like $150-200 each.

Say, Any one thought about installing windows 98 to play games :p

You should be able to find the older Windows Discs used for cheap. I forgot to mention something else about Virtual PC.

The Mac version comes with Windows XP.

The PC version is just Virtual PC, a freeware from Microsoft. You still have to install the Operating System. This is actually a plus, you can install separate folders for Win XP, Win98 SE, Linux, Win 3.11 and DOS 6.2. No separate partitions needed, just a folder for each system and maybe add a common share folder. :D
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